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[gagoom.]

What about the people who didn't cheat, have a nice build that can complete solo challenging but still find the game to be more punishing than fun, so they ask for optimizations from the devs.

I highly encourage those players to continue to discuss, share, and also be open to the fact that maybe their build/play style isn't a good fit for some of the content.

I think one of the biggest issues with some players(solo or otherwise) is that they want this one specific build to work across the board for every single engagment. I don't think that is the nature of the game nor is the nature of rpg games in general.

[Ranger_Logan]

What about the people who didn't cheat, have a nice build that can complete solo challenging but still find the game to be more punishing than fun, so they ask for optimizations from the devs.

Because this kind of request is being flagged as haters, toxic & post your build so that you can gid gut!

[ladybug101]

Only cheaters got banned, they lie about their bans, and even further lie when they open up their mouths on the forums.

This is why I am leery in believing anonymous folks on the internet. My personal experience has been the opposite of what I see people saying online. I also don’t like seeing youtubers in particular fueling the anger etc. Three used the glitch, two suspended but they are using players for views and clicks. Don’t get caught up in the online hate as it only hurts you.

[gagoom.]

Massive patched the "symptoms" not the reasons.

Besides, the toxicity will continue, not that I like it, but it will and that's bad, for everyone.

Just because something exists doesn't mean you should abuse it.

Does massive have an issue with some of their code. Yes. Are they supposed to fix those issues. Yes. Do those things take time? Yes. Are there thousands of lines of code and assets that depend on each other in a game this large and with this many moving parts that make fixing some of these issues even more challenging? Yes.

Should we be allowed to abuse that unintended bug and cheat our way through the content while they are attempting to fix it? No.

People didn't have to equip a certain skill and mount a turret over and over again in order to play this game. That wasn't a project, a mission objective or anything like that. They chose to go out of their way to exploit something that was a known bug.

[ImpiusDominus]

I can agree with that perspective, you are correct in thinking that if there were enough people fed up with Division 1, then Division 2 would not have happened. My counterpoint would be that the market for cover-based looter shooter is lacking quality options in my opinion and promises were made from the first game to bring back some that may not have returned.

I didn't feel you answer was toxic or negative, you want to understand where my perspective comes from. It's natural

I was in Division 1 since launch since I love the genre, I left very early on because of the issues that were happening with the game but returned after a year or more (not sure the exact time frame) to a game that was incredible and revitalized my yearning for the game again. When I started hearing more about Division 2, I was excited and, like many, believed that the same issues would not transfer. Also taking in consideration the devs and media claimed that 'they heard us and they would not repeat the issues on the first one' (not a direct quote).

It's undeniable that we have a certain amount of the population that complains loudly, others that defend loudly, some that will continue to play and some that won't but there are those who silently decide as well whether to continue or not and whether the new franchise will be purchased at inception, later in its life or not purchase at all. One thing to note, I watch streamers and enjoy the entertainment but I can honestly say they do not represent the population I am part of that is for sure. It's going to be interesting to see how Massive will react to the noise or maybe we have already seen...

[L0VEBOMB]

What about the people who didn't cheat, have a nice build that can complete solo challenging but still find the game to be more punishing than fun, so they ask for optimizations from the devs.

you mean the spoiled brats that don't even know how lucky they are to enjoy gaming nowadays as opposed to super mario bros in the 80s?

ingrates.

This is why I am leery in believing anonymous folks on the internet. My personal experience has been the opposite of what I see people saying online. I also don’t like seeing youtubers in particular fueling the anger etc. Three used the glitch, two suspended but they are using players for views and clicks. Don’t get caught up in the online hate as it only hurts you.

The thing is, what you described has been the same for me in every game i ever touched. There're credible people who never have this stuff happen to em for over a decade. Yet somehow, randomly.. those who bark the loudest on forums keep claiming "wait till it happens to you!" but it never does.. and it never happens randomly to anoyne i know either. There's always more to it.

[Stardust.One]

Just because something exists doesn't mean you should abuse it.

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Where did I said that? That's a stock-check. I play the game since the release, and also the original before. I'm aware of the structure.

By the way, I supplemented #20. -

Massive patched the "symptoms" not the reasons.

Besides, the toxicity will continue, not that I like it, but it will and that's bad, for everyone. And even if it's "quiet" in here for the next days or weeks, the next three-dollar sale will come and with it new "spirits". Preventive, I think a game like The Division 2 for that price (of $3) is a present, but that's me.

[gagoom.]

Because this kind of request is being flagged as haters, toxic & post your build so that you can gid gut!

I feel that majority of those threads may be treated poorly due to the lack of information. Showing a 30 sec clip of a player getting wrecked doesn't show or help anything. Screaming this is broken without any real information isn't helping anything.

Why is it bad to request someone build if they're complaining about the difficulty? Why is it bad to assume that if someone is having that much of an issue with the difficulty that maybe they should scale the difficulty back a bit for themselves instead of to demand the devs change everything for everyone.

[MP9--]

Cheating and exploit being the same ? That's a clear case of cognitive dissonance right there.

[L0VEBOMB]

Cheating and exploit being the same ? That's a clear case of cognitive dissonance right there.

No it isn't, if you exploit to gain unfair adavantages it is the very definition of cheating. Apply the cognitive dissonance to yourself right here, along with being delusional since you think your own deeds ain't cheating