Wishing that was what I was saying doesn't make it true. Games have bugs, all games do, this is common knowledge. But... A game having bugs is not the same as believing someone who are inclined to lie to be telling the truth. Ask yourself this... Who is more inclined to lie Massive/Ubisoft which really have no reason to or a exploiter that was caught? Anyone with common sense can figure out the answer to that..Originally Posted by Scootsu Go to original post
Flinging accusations against Ubisoft/Massive and then saying "innocent untill proven guilty" when refering to exploiters is a bit of a fallacy isn't it?Come on. If you can put absolute trust in a broken game. Why can’t you give someone reasonable doubt? Innocent until proven guilty?
Do we? Not catching all, doesn't exactly mean the ones they did catch wheren't thoroughly investigated though does it?We all know they didn’t review player accounts that they banned. That is why some people that used the exploit/glitch have still been playing for the last week.
Catching exploiters and debugging a game is hardly the same thing.And it isn’t that much of a leap of faith to think the devs might have made a mistake when they have made so many other mistakes in the game.
"If you disagree with me you don't play the game".... Really?To think otherwise you have clearly not played the game and if that is the case you really have zero business responding to this thread all due respect.
No chance they could have looked at accounts individually. Yes i know they said they looked using an algorithm, but just use some math...
By the Ubi themselves said they looked into each account in detail...so assuming humans actually did that PLUS the algorithm..
Assume 250 000 accounts.
30 seconds per account
That's 2083 hours
260 days person effort
52 days effort with 5 devs full time 8 hours a day.
Or 26 days full time with 10 Devs
Against the ban annouce timeline...No. The only way this could have been done is fully automated and therein lies the rub. Collateral damage. Be nice if they admit that and fix it.
Just saying.
Players the ones that buy the game should be given the benefit. In reality we are the ones paying them since we are the ones that buy the games and expansion packs and season passes. Without players there are no devs, there are no games. It really is as simple as that. Without us they can’t survive.
All the more reason there should be open and honest communication between the two sides. No matter the issue. No matter the offense.
The bad part is the devs believe they are gods and can’t be wrong. That is partly the problem here and it has only gotten worse and will only continue to get worse until there is honest and open communication. They can’t even get their stories straight because they are lying to each other and for what reason exactly?
No matter how you look at this situation the community is now toxic and divided. If they would just be honest and there was actual communication between the two sides this wouldn’t have blown up the way it has.
Communication is not to much to ask for and mind you we are asking for just that. Communication. Which will be ignored like 90% of everything else the players ask/report/whatever. When they keep their cards hidden and their actions and processes hidden and refuse to talk about anything other than the standard response of “we have passed this along” or “we are aware and looking into it” the average player would be more incline to believe in them as strongly as you do. Not exactly sure why or how you can believe the things you do especially when so many glitchers or “cheaters” weren’t banned. So why is it so hard for you to believe that some players could have been caught in the line of fire? Doesn’t make sense to me.
Those that are so strongly for the ban crying for more bans are most likely ones that got away with it and are over compensating to hide their own guilt or to try and throw a false flag. Isn’t that possible?
"The customer is always right"... I'm sorry but they're not. If you have a job where you deal directly with customers you'd know this. It's a bit of a Karen statement really.Originally Posted by Scootsu Go to original post
I agree that communication is always a good thing, the more, the better and that's why we have SOTGs.All the more reason there should be open and honest communication between the two sides. No matter the issue. No matter the offense.
But there's no way you would get a honest conversation from the exploiters point of view, they're facing punishment so are much more inclined to lie, just like people in general facing punishment are more inclined to lie. You've seen yourself how many are trying to fabricate reasons to start some form of ****storm here, there's even been several posts with death threats amongst other completely insane things, how do you expect honesty from that?
Exploiters lying seems alot more plausible to be honest.. I'm gonna take myself as a example, noone I play with use exploits in this game and none of us where temporarily banned. So most likely nah seems like a terrible tactic if they would then want to draw attention to themselves, but possible, well anything is possible, does it seem extremely unlikely though, well yes.Those that are so strongly for the ban crying for more bans are most likely ones that got away with it and are over compensating to hide their own guilt or to try and throw a false flag. Isn’t that possible?
I see... Interesting.Originally Posted by PFCMaddMann Go to original post
And big companies are always honest and they never cover their own backside? Riiiiight. Come on now. Almost feels like I am talking to an paid apologist at this point or an employee trying to stir up a storm of your own. Just because they have a state of the game doesn’t mean it is honest and open communication. If they would actually answer questions from actual people but I am sure just like with reality tv it is scripted and they are given a heads up on what they will be asked.
The ban process isn’t 100% accurate. Nothing in life is 100% besides death. So that was a lie. Reviewing player accounts was a lie. Then they even stumble during this part. Why? Because they are trying to cover ones backside. They wait until things get way to far out of hand because they aren’t forced to do anything until that point. That’s why they don’t even know when the glitching started. If they actually reviewed players accounts like they claim they would know when this started. When you have to scramble to fix things you only tend to make things worse than they currently are and that is exactly what has happened and by doing that and not actually listening to real players things only get worse.
We all make mistakes. It happens. Life goes on. Only way to learn from mistakes is to admit you made one and try to better yourself in the process. Acting without thinking only causes problems. Just looks at the forums. The devs created an unwelcoming and unfriendly environment by the way they “resolved” the issue and due to lack of honesty and open communication. We have turn against each other and wouldn’t be surprised if that is what they wanted. To distract us from what is going on or what will be going on next. Either way the devs wanting to “protect” the player environment is laughable. I am sure that most people don’t feel welcome or are disgusted by what people are posting. I know I am and I am sure I am not alone.
but thats the problem, nobody knows if its true or not, there are many claimed innocent accounts on utube and social media just google them ...if you want to, but all anyone has is the 'word' of the devs, but this seems to be enough for most people to believe ..even though its (imo) blind faith/trust in massive/ubisoft.Originally Posted by KG_Xtorma Go to original post
As opposed to blind faith in someone facing punishment that are inclined to lie?Originally Posted by Teigan. Go to original post