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  1. #41
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    Guys at lest try and be civil.

    He raised just extremely reasonable points if people can get past their blind Bungie hate.

    "You did the crime you do the time argument"

    Yes!!! People should be warned or punished. That is not in question.

    Not every crime is the same and the punishment should have reflected the seriousness of what they did.

    The way this has been handled has been a complete shambles.
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    Yet people who Abused World of Warcraft Dungeon Glitch got a 6-month ban.

    This is a slap on the wrist in comparison.

    I hate to tell you but World of Warcraft is More popular than Destiny 2 + Division 2 Combined and multiplied.

    You are right it was shambles.
    Should have been a Total Account Wipe.
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    So 2 companies with different "products" but basically someone is standing on it so it must have the same usage and effect when using it this is an example scenario....

    This is an example of your logic an EXAMPLE if you will
    A snowboard making company has a good product with locks on the board so you a happy using customer of this product do not fall off and you the customer call a surf board shop saying wtf man this other company has these locks on their boards why don't you i demand you start doing what they are doing because you are both just making a board we can stand on while riding on snow or water or in some cases sand.

    The two gaming companies are different as to what they do and how their loot system works yes their products are both looter shooters and video games however they are also two different companies so comparing them is not really warranted, and saying as this company is doing something i like so this other company should just ignore their own guidelines and follow what this company is doing because i feel that is the right call the real world does not work like that.
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    Originally Posted by Agent_Ares Go to original post
    Yet people who Abused World of Warcraft Dungeon Glitch got a 6-month ban.

    This is a slap on the wrist in comparison.

    I hate to tell you but World of Warcraft is More popular than Destiny 2 + Division 2 Combined and multiplied.

    You are right it was shambles.
    Should have been a Total Account Wipe.
    total account wipes..seriously? i doubt many would want to bother getting back everything, especially with the state of the game at the moment.
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    Originally Posted by Teigan. Go to original post
    total account wipes..seriously? i doubt many would want to bother getting back everything, especially with the state of the game at the moment.
    Don't mind ares, he's massives number one white knight. Spends all day trolling the posts of those who question massives lack of competance
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    First off this is NOT about those who maybe innocent and those who haven't been Suspended/Rolled back.it's about those who chose to do it and got suspended.


    No it's not about being a white knight /Sucking the Devs D and all the rest of the vitriol that's gets thrown around,

    This is a simple Right and Wrong.

    I never though at my age i'd see people not take responsibility for their own actions, in a simple right or wrong scenario. irrespective of the games condition. (I accept it has bugs, it has Glitches and exploits) the game certainly did not force me or make me not use an exploit or glitch, that was down to me and me only

    Now correct me if i'm wrong here, and I don't mind being proven wrong by the way, but who's fault is it that they used/Activated a glitch/Exploit, surely it has to be that person as an individual, was it not his/her responsibility to either, A] Do it and presume there will be consequences, or B] Don't do it and not get any punishment.


    People Chose to do the glitch /Exploit and others chose not to (one action was right the other action was wrong)
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    Originally Posted by Teigan. Go to original post
    total account wipes..seriously? i doubt many would want to bother getting back everything, especially with the state of the game at the moment.
    That is the point isn't it?
    There are 2 groups of cheaters

    1. That are remorseful
    2. The ones that are likely to do it again.

    The Remorseful ones will accept the punishment
    The ones likely to do it again will just leave cause they can't be bothered to do it again.

    Also keep in mind those who actively cheat are generally also the ones that troll, are toxic, and promote general bad behavior.
    So you are removing a lot of problems by having them leave "voluntarily"
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    Originally Posted by Cadillac-Jack Go to original post
    First off this is NOT about those who maybe innocent and those who haven't been Suspended/Rolled back.it's about those who chose to do it and got suspended.


    No it's not about being a white knight /Sucking the Devs D and all the rest of the vitriol that's gets thrown around,

    This is a simple Right and Wrong.

    I never though at my age i'd see people not take responsibility for their own actions, in a simple right or wrong scenario. irrespective of the games condition. (I accept it has bugs, it has Glitches and exploits) the game certainly did not force me or make me not use an exploit or glitch, that was down to me and me only

    Now correct me if i'm wrong here, and I don't mind being proven wrong by the way, but who's fault is it that they used/Activated a glitch/Exploit, surely it has to be that person as an individual, was it not his/her responsibility to either, A] Do it and presume there will be consequences, or B] Don't do it and not get any punishment.


    People Chose to do the glitch /Exploit and others chose not to (one action was right the other action was wrong)
    the only problem is the claimed innocent ( if true ) are still being punished ..right now
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    Originally Posted by Teigan. Go to original post
    the only problem is the claimed innocent ( if true ) are still being punished ..right now
    And my in my post very first line I put this is NOT about those who maybe innocent.

    I'm talking about the guilty the ones who have admitted to doing the glitch/Exploit, the one's caught red handed. heck there were some of those bragging in this very forum on how they are getting the loot and Massive cannot do anything about it and Massive/Ubi won't ban them. infact one actually said they Devs haven't got the balls to ban people.

    I have 0 sympathy for those who bragged and dared the devs.

    I do have sympathy for those who (Maybe innocent) as yet we only have the word of that person saying they are innocent, and the word of the devs saying they are guilty.

    Which one do I believe (I can't make that call) because we only have the word of both parties. Without anything else, so it's a Catch 22.

    Buit those who admitted it and dared the devs have only them selves to blame, it was their responsibility and theirs only to do it or not to do it. (it's that clear and simple)

    I'm not here for the pitchforks and the burning.

    I'm here to say people should take responsibility for their own actions and not keep blaming something/someone else .it was their actions that got them into this pickle in the first place.
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    Originally Posted by Agent_Ares Go to original post
    That is the point isn't it?
    There are 2 groups of cheaters

    1. That are remorseful
    2. The ones that are likely to do it again.

    The Remorseful ones will accept the punishment
    The ones likely to do it again will just leave cause they can't be bothered to do it again.

    Also keep in mind those who actively cheat are generally also the ones that troll, are toxic, and promote general bad behavior.
    So you are removing a lot of problems by having them leave "voluntarily"
    I'm afraid of coming back, IF the bans have been random which we can't know since Massive/Ubisoft wount give us any information other than what was stated on the First Of April that "there has been false positivtes" but it was "100% done correctly, account based".

    I wouldn't use a glitch again knowingly, I like the game, I wanna play.. but still afraid of coming back anyways, if as stated above, it was random. How the f*ck am I supposed to be safe in the future? xD
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