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    Need clarification from the devs!

    I humbly request that you clarify if I could be banned or penalized for doing any of the following or if im in a party with someone who has used any of the following. As people have been banned for 7 days and will be rolled back 2 weeks (im not here to discuss this portion) I think it is of utmost importance that you clarify the following so the people who have been banned for 7 days will not be banned permanently.

    1. Can I be rolled back or banned for joining a raid group who uses the raid reset exploit to negatively harm the "games economy" by having continuous drops without lockout from the raid?

    2. Can I be rolled back or banned if I use an exploit concerning using a shield with the focus talent or if Im in a party with someone who is using this combination?

    3. Can I be rolled back or banned if i party up with someone who did the season cache exploit since it "negatively impacted the games economy?"

    4. Can I be rolled back or banned if I did the target practices since they gave an "unintended amount of xp" (words of the devs on SOTG) aka an exploit?

    5. Can I be rolled back or banned if i matchmake and someone is using the new damage exploit? How do I protect myself from this? Should I just not use matchmaking at all?

    6. Can i be rolled back or banned for using the negotiators dilemma exploit as popular "content creators" are doing right now? What if im in a party with them?

    7. Can I be rolled back or banned if I play with someone who has exploited the leader boards in the past unknowingly?


    Since now you have set a precedent that anything that gives an unfair advantage (loot or xp) should be punished by a ban and rollback can you clarify the following:

    1.Where are the rollbacks and bans for armor exploit?
    2. Where are the rollbacks and bans for medkit exploit?
    3. Where are the rollbacks and bans for the season cache exploit which harmed the games "economy?"
    4. Where are the rollbacks and bans for failing target practice exploit and receiving items/named items and XP which gave you an unfair advantage in SHD/Loot?
    5. Where are the rollbacks and bans for resetting the raid over and over and getting raid exclusive loot and keys/eagle bearers as many times as you want a week?
    6. Where are the rollbacks and bans for the new damage exploit with sidearms?
    7. Where are the rollbacks and bans for using negotiators dilemma exploits?
    8. Where are the rollbacks and bans for people who exploited the target practices giving an "UNINTENDED" amount of XP?
    9. Where are the rollbacks and bans for people who have exploited the leaderboards?
    10. Where are the rollbacks and bans for people using focus and shields in an unintended manner (aka exploiting them)?

    Since we know that season caches give better rolls than regular loot drops, I find it necessary that the appropriate action be taken to penalize players who have gained an unfair advantage.

    Furthermore, can you clarify why Chris Gansler as well as other devs who I know for a fact were personally messaged and told about the damage exploit before March 17th, before it ever became public , why they chose to do nothing about it?

    Could you clarify if you are taking action and rolling back people who used the glitch before it became public?

    Could you clarify why Chris Gansler and co. misrepresented the fact when they became privy of the damage exploit?

    Edit:
    Sorry I forgot to add, I know for a fact this glitch has existed before WONY, could you clarify if you took action or will be taking action for those who used the damage exploit prior to it becoming popular and that gained an unfair advantage and harmed the games economy?


    Thanks
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    Originally Posted by his.X.L.N.C. Go to original post
    I humbly request that you clarify if I could be banned or penalized for doing any of the following or if im in a party with someone who has used any of the following. As people have been banned for 7 days and will be rolled back 2 weeks (im not here to discuss this portion) I think it is of utmost importance that you clarify the following so the people who have been banned for 7 days will not be banned permanently.

    1. Can I be rolled back or banned for joining a raid group who uses the raid reset exploit to negatively harm the "games economy" by having continuous drops without lockout from the raid?

    2. Can I be rolled back or banned if I use an exploit concerning using a shield with the focus talent or if Im in a party with someone who is using this combination?

    3. Can I be rolled back or banned if i party up with someone who did the season cache exploit since it "negatively impacted the games economy?"

    4. Can I be rolled back or banned if I did the target practices since they gave an "unintended amount of xp" (words of the devs on SOTG) aka an exploit?

    5. Can I be rolled back or banned if i matchmake and someone is using the new damage exploit? How do I protect myself from this? Should I just not use matchmaking at all?

    6. Can i be rolled back or banned for using the negotiators dilemma exploit as popular "content creators" are doing right now? What if im in a party with them?

    7. Can I be rolled back or banned if I play with someone who has exploited the leader boards in the past unknowingly?


    Since now you have set a precedent that anything that gives an unfair advantage (loot or xp) should be punished by a ban and rollback can you clarify the following:

    1.Where is the rollbacks and bans for armor exploit?
    2. Where are the rollbacks and bans for medkit exploit?
    3. Where are the rollbacks and bans for the season cache exploit which harmed the games "economy?"
    4. Where are the rollbacks and bans for failing target practice exploit and receiving items/named items and XP which gave you an unfair advantage in SHD/Loot?
    5. Where are the rollbacks and bans for resetting the raid over and over and getting raid exclusive loot and keys/eagle bearers as many times as you want a week?
    6. Where are the rollbacks and bans for the new damage exploit with sidearms?
    7. Where are the rollbacks and bans for using negotiators dilemma exploits?
    8. Where are the rollbacks and bans for people who exploited the target practices giving an "UNINTENDED" amount of XP?
    9. Where are the rollbacks and bans for people who have exploited the leaderboards?
    10. Where are the rollbacks and bans for people using focus and shields in an unintended manner (aka exploiting them)?

    Since we know that season caches give better rolls than regular loot drops, I find it necessary that the appropriate action be taken to penalize players who have gained an unfair advantage.

    Furthermore, can you clarify why Chris Gansler as well as other devs who I know for a fact were personally messaged and told about the damage exploit before March 17th, before it ever became public , why they chose to do nothing about it because it wasnt popular?

    Could you clarify if you are taking action and rolling back people who used the glitch before it became public?

    Could you clarify why Chris Gansler and co misrepresented the fact when they became privy of the damage exploit?

    Thanks

    Short answer - no, as they said in SOTG its "account-based only". However, if I was you, and my account was flagged - I would leave any SUSPICIOUS team IMMEDIATELY. Do I know that for sure? NO, I DON'T. That's just what i think and what i understood from SOTG. Hope that helps.
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    Originally Posted by TheGeckoHimself Go to original post
    Short answer - no, as they said in SOTG its "account-based only". However, if I was you, and my account was flagged - I would leave any SUSPICIOUS team IMMEDIATELY. Do I know that for sure? NO, I DON'T. That's just what i think and what i understood from SOTG. Hope that helps.
    How can I tell if I cant see everyone's damage numbers except in the end game summary? I guess the solution is to not use matchmaking or ever join a raid because I could never be 100% certain that people are not using some of these exploits?

    Also, no offense, i know you are trying to be helpful, but I want an official clarification so I do not get permanently banned from the game.

    As it stands, the game is filled with bugs and exploits and simply playing it with others may lead me to be banned. So Im at a loss on what to do? Never use matchmaking? never do a raid? what am I supposed to do exactly in the game if I cant play it with others because I risk being permanently banned? Not really a multiplayer game if the solution is to play it by myself to ensure I do not get banned.
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    Originally Posted by his.X.L.N.C. Go to original post
    How can I tell if I cant see everyone's damage numbers except in the end game summary? I guess the solution is to not use matchmaking or ever join a raid because I could never be 100% certain that people are not using some of these exploits?
    Come on, Bro! I have no problem with cheaters. Its just a Video game and cheating here is not a serious crime. Would I play with a player with a flagged account? Sure, as long he is not cheating with me in a team. I'm very reasonable here. What I personally can't accept are stupid EXCUSES and attempts to turn the situation upside down.

    My point is - if you see somebody 1-shots Heavies in Raid or does something else suspicious - just leave immediately. Because later - no excuses, no explanations will help you. Be smart, be careful, be aware. Your account is flagged.
    Again, that's friendly advice. That's what I would do....
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    Originally Posted by TheGeckoHimself Go to original post
    Come on, Bro! I have no problem with cheaters. Its just a Video game and cheating here is not a serious crime. Would I play with a player with a flagged account? Sure, as long he is not cheating with me in a team. I'm very reasonable here. What I personally can't accept are stupid EXCUSES and attempts to turn the situation upside down.

    My point is - if you see somebody 1-shots Heavies in Raid or does something else suspicious - just leave immediately. Because later - no excuses, no explanations will help you. Be smart, be careful, be aware. Your account is flagged.
    Again, that's friendly advice. That's what I would do....
    thats a fine sentiment, but not practical at all. In the raid I cant run up to everyone to inpsect their damage. With the sidearm exploit they dont necessarily one shot heavies, so I really have no way of telling. If i join someones raid, I cant possibly know how many times they've reset it?

    I genuinely want a clarification so I know what I can/should do to enjoy this game again without having to live in fear that someone i matchmade with is using something deemed not allowed, and risk a permanent ban.
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    Originally Posted by his.X.L.N.C. Go to original post
    thats a fine sentiment, but not practical at all. In the raid I cant run up to everyone to inpsect their damage. With the sidearm exploit they dont necessarily one shot heavies, so I really have no way of telling. If i join someones raid, I cant possibly know how many times they've reset it?

    I genuinely want a clarification so I know what I can/should do to enjoy this game again without having to live in fear that someone i matchmade with is using something deemed not allowed, and risk a permanent ban.
    I already told you. Be smart, be careful, be aware. Your account is flagged.

    P.S - you can always inspect their builds. And there are not as many cheaters as you think. The vast majority plays fair. So it's not such a great risk.
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    Originally Posted by TheGeckoHimself Go to original post
    I already told you. Be smart, be careful, be aware. Your account is flagged.

    P.S - you can always inspect their builds. And there are not as many cheaters as you think. The vast majority plays fair. So it's not such a great risk.
    thats nice, but you are not a developer so your answer or solution holds no water. Thanks for the suggestion but without an unofficial response I cant trust other members of the community.
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    Originally Posted by his.X.L.N.C. Go to original post
    thats nice, but you are not a developer so your answer or solution holds no water. Thanks for the suggestion but without an unofficial response I cant trust other members of the community.
    At least (so far) I'm the only one who tried to help you...
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    They have stated they are only sanctioning people that have used the exploits, not for being in a group with someone who is/has. I suppose that they might ban you if you always play with the same group and they leverage cheats, but I have utmost confidence they are not going to sanction by guilt by association.

    But to pretty much all the other points, the answer is you can. The question is whether you will. I would presume the mitigating factors would be how often you have used any glitches grossly to your advantage. Because it is quite different to stumble upon a glitch and find it works to your interests, and going back to use that glitch over and over.
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    Originally Posted by TheGeckoHimself Go to original post
    At least (so far) I'm the only one who tried to help you...
    Thanks again, but you didnt say anything a logical person doesnt already know. This is a grey area now in the community and requires an official statement from massive so that not everyone gets permabanned. Inspecting everyone or taking my time to run a long side everyone in the raid and see if they are one shotting heavies, or using backup boomsticks, or using shields and focus is not a valid solution.

    Originally Posted by tcarlisle2012 Go to original post
    They have stated they are only sanctioning people that have used the exploits, not for being in a group with someone who is/has. I suppose that they might ban you if you always play with the same group and they leverage cheats, but I have utmost confidence they are not going to sanction by guilt by association.

    But to pretty much all the other points, the answer is you can. The question is whether you will. I would presume the mitigating factors would be how often you have used any glitches grossly to your advantage. Because it is quite different to stumble upon a glitch and find it works to your interests, and going back to use that glitch over and over.

    this is simply untrue. I know people who have used the exploits in varying degrees who have received no punishment and others who were in a group but did not use it themselves that have been banned. So their blanket PR statement is false.
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