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  1. #11
    Are we going to ban people for using the Negev too as the damage on that was never intended.

    If people get banned for using focus and a shield then we may as well pack in playing as we wont no when we might get a ban.

    No I don't use a shield, and yes I scope in when aiming with a rifle
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  2. #12
    One is a bug, and the other is an exploit.

    Yes, they could roll focus on their gear, but they're just rolling a talent on to a gear piece. Some people like scopes, so they'd do it unintentionally.
    They are still playing the game as it was intended to be played.

    If that was the case, then people running a rifle and shield build would be banned for equipping a piece of gear they found with focus already rolled on it.
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  3. #13
    Originally Posted by Psyringe Go to original post
    Well .. I did hear you out. You promised something interesting. Where ist it?

    Obviously there's a difference between an unintended feature that _could_ have been intended (like Focus working with shields), and an unintended feature that no one could possibly mistake for an intended one (like an interaction between shields and mounted guns that raises your weapon damage indefinitely). Everyone who exploited the damage glitch on purpose, was aware that this was unintended. People who are using Focus with shield, often were/are not.

    While Massive _could_ theoretically ban people who use Focus with a shield (it would be within their rights, their rules are broad enough to cover that), it is highly unlikely that they do. They are taking a stance against people who purposefully exploit bugs to gain an advantage. They don't seem to have an issue with people who do so unknowingly (in that case they'd want people to stop, but are unlikely to hand out punishments).
    thank you for kind word. you explain it nicely. both the glitch are stacking. methods are different. but the result and intention is the same. yes there is a big damage difference between these two glitch. but the glitch is glitch no matter how small or big it is. if anyone using focus + shield that is intentionally increasing DPS with help of ingame bug. same as turret staking. i DO NOT WISH any kind of punishment over Focus + Shield glitch users. it's unfair and it's in game bug. some popular content creators made a video about it focus + shield and it went famous . i'm thinking about similarities of these two glitches and how developers addressed it!
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  4. #14
    Originally Posted by A_OIO_A Go to original post
    i'm thinking about similarities of these two glitches and how developers addressed it!
    But there are no similarities... One is intentionally exploiting a bug, the other is not. Same as the TP debate, one is intentionally exploiting a bug, the other is not. It's really not any more complicated than that.
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  5. #15
    Originally Posted by PapaDomes Go to original post
    One is a bug, and the other is an exploit.

    Yes, they could roll focus on their gear, but they're just rolling a talent on to a gear piece. Some people like scopes, so they'd do it unintentionally.
    They are still playing the game as it was intended to be played.

    If that was the case, then people running a rifle and shield build would be banned for equipping a piece of gear they found with focus already rolled on it.
    both are the bugs - and when you use it gain advantage, it becomes exploit (taking benefit with help of a bug). both are DPS increase bug/ exploit yes the numbers are way more deference. but still its the same. and if you want more elaborate, imagine taking turret dps increase something like 800K with M1A + cric + boomerang build. use it with focus and vigilance, just imagine 60+ 25+ cric + boomerang DPS. so where is the mistakes! either turret staking or Focus + shield! or both!
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  6. #16
    Originally Posted by Escritores Go to original post
    But there are no similarities... One is intentionally exploiting a bug, the other is not.
    wow. really!

    both are the bugs - and when you use it gain advantage, it becomes exploit (taking benefit with help of a bug). both are DPS increase bug/ exploit yes the numbers are way more deference. but still its the same.
    and if you want more elaborate, imagine taking turret dps increase something like 800K with M1A + cric + boomerang build. use it with focus and vigilance, just imagine 60+ 25+ cric +HD+ boomerang DPS. so where is the mistakes! either turret staking or Focus + shield! or both!
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    Originally Posted by Escritores Go to original post
    But there are no similarities... One is intentionally exploiting a bug, the other is not.
    Yes, one could easily be done accidently from a players inventory, but lets be honest the turret stacking exploit to get weapons hitting for 20 million or whatever is pretty convoluted and is certainly not something players would do by accident by any stretch of the imagination is it.
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  8. #18
    A bug is the potential for unexpected interactions or behaviour with-in code or scripting.

    An exploit is abusing a bug, to your own advantage or to disadvantage others.

    Bugs are generally harmless except when they are unavoidable or easily triggered.

    Exploits are always detrimental to the game and other players experience.
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  9. #19
    Originally Posted by scarp99anzz Go to original post
    Are we going to ban people for using the Negev too as the damage on that was never intended.

    If people get banned for using focus and a shield then we may as well pack in playing as we wont no when we might get a ban.

    No I don't use a shield, and yes I scope in when aiming with a rifle
    i do not wish any kind of punishment over any kind of bug that already in the game.it should be fix as soon as it identified. it was not a modification or anything. i'm pointing this how similar are these two bugs and how they addressed it! it shows their lack of accountability, problem solving and gap filling.
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  10. #20
    Originally Posted by Kelso45 Go to original post
    A bug is the potential for unexpected interactions or behaviour with-in code or scripting.

    An exploit is abusing a bug, to your own advantage or to disadvantage others.

    Bugs are generally harmless except when they are unavoidable or easily triggered.

    Exploits are always detrimental to the game and other players experience.
    exactly Bro. 100% correct. "turret stack and shield + focus are both abuse of Bug" (it's mention in even in the focus talent that only work with 8x or 12x)
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