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  1. #11
    lol we will always be in violation of the tos ...they keep changing it to suit their needs
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  2. #12
    Originally Posted by Rulistic Go to original post
    People violated TOS so the bans / roll backs are justified.
    But the TOS also states punishment will be set on a case by case basis
    7 day ban and a 2 week roll back for all the people they claimed violated is a violation of the TOS.
    People who barely used it just screwing around maybe should have started there.
    People who did it in the dz, people who zombie farmed should have received more harsh punishment.
    Content creators who profited off of the exploit should have received the harshest punishment. With them also reaching out to youtube and/or twitch to also have them take action against them.
    Punishment should fit the crime. Not all violations are equal..
    Couldn't say it better, I said this like million times, but I guess it falls over dead ears.
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    In div 1 when I saw a cheater I never thought to myself I wanna cheat like that also or they cheat why not me or its only fair I do it if others are doing it, seems in a lot of these threads there is a lot of that going on, if a youtuber was a cheater thats on them, if your a cheater thats on you, as I dont understand being a cheater I also dont understand a cheater feeling cheated if every cheater isnt caught and punished like them.

    I am sure there is a medical condition that explains this kind of rational.
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    Originally Posted by Teigan. Go to original post
    lol we will always be in violation of the tos ...they keep changing it to suit their needs
    The trouble is they can do that on a whim at anytime they please, and they do not have to notify anyone of the changes, WE have to look ourselves. it's in the Eula Black and white, and that's for most online service games whether EA/Bungie et-al

    The trouble is no one reads the damn thing, so they haven't a clue what's going on.(yet everyone agrees to this as soon as you install the game/Product. It's Automatic)

    Here are the important sections.

    1.3 While using the Product, You agree to comply will all applicable laws, rules and regulations. You also agree to comply with certain rules of conduct that govern Your use of the Product (“Rules of Conduct”), which are not meant to be exhaustive and can be modified at any time by UBISOFT. In all cases, You may only use the Product according to anticipated use of the Product.


    This EULA for security, legal, best practice or regulatory reasons. Such changes will be effective with or, as applicable, without prior notice to You. You can review the most current version of this EULA by clicking on the “EULA” link located on the Product or on ubi.com. You are responsible for checking this EULA periodically for changes. If any future changes to this EULA are unacceptable to You or cause You to no longer be in agreement or compliance with this EULA, You may terminate this EULA in accordance with Section 8 and must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product.
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  5. #15
    Originally Posted by GeneralPDA Go to original post
    theres people with shd lvl 1000, infinite keys on raid glitchs, grenade launcher on DZ and only dps glitch was banned.... what exactly you understand as "case by case", we can assume that shd lvl 1000 etc are okay and no punishement needed because was analised case by case?
    Well, the big glaring assumption here is that it is finished.

    So many threads about "I was banned but so and so wasn't". Therefore it is not fair, not consistent application of the rules, etc.
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  6. #16
    Originally Posted by Teigan. Go to original post
    lol we will always be in violation of the tos ...they keep changing it to suit their needs
    fair point

    will be fun see next ubisoft title flopping hard at launch, division 2 and breakpoint are huge hits on total failure launchs, but with this type of behavior no wonder why ubi isnt releasing games and had money problems

    its fair assume that people who also dont liked how division1 was handled but tried give a second chance to division2 wont return to future tom clancy releases from ubi
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  7. #17
    Originally Posted by GeneralPDA Go to original post
    fair point

    will be fun see next ubisoft title flopping hard at launch, division 2 and breakpoint are huge hits on total failure launchs, but with this type of behavior no wonder why ubi isnt releasing games and had money problems

    its fair assume that people who also dont liked how division1 was handled but tried give a second chance to division2 wont return to future tom clancy releases from ubi
    I guess you meant any Ubisoft title.
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  8. #18
    Originally Posted by tcarlisle2012 Go to original post
    Well, the big glaring assumption here is that it is finished.

    So many threads about "I was banned but so and so wasn't". Therefore it is not fair, not consistent application of the rules, etc.
    so....after more 2 weeks those guys will also have accounts rolled back to march 17?

    you need understand one thing: this is a software with database, if ubi its capable to find discrepancies about something, should be capable of find about another punishment to just ONE type of glitchers means that still anarchy/chaos heres and not all problems of exploiting same thing have the same treatment, whats its absurd.

    change TOS to validate rollbacks after fix isnt ethical to when used on actions performed before that change, this is law 1.0.1

    if developers arent fair and act following the same rule for ALL, why exactly we still playing and giving money to them??

    getting infinite items/exotics on raid its different from getting infinite items using dps glitch on legendaries? raid keys exploit seems exist since last year but probably no one cares because no one does raid.

    i assure that no much people want enter in DZ to be one shotted by grenade launcher and this bug also still working on game....theres explanation to this be "allowed" ?
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    Originally Posted by tcarlisle2012 Go to original post
    You can't possibly say it wasn't done case by case. Thought it would seem the consequences are uniform, I am sure they had to look at each player's play individually to establish a basis for the action.

    Rather than be on forums trying to figure out how to bite back at Ubisoft, I would recommend ya'all just take some time to think about this....

    During a global pandemic, people had to take time away from their family to mine through server data to examine your online behavior. Instead of fixing problems or progressing the game in any way, you caused the entire company to have to put the brakes on and focus only on the damage you all caused. During a global pandemic. You caused them to have to work very long hours, and risk several unplanned emergency maintenance windows, and deploy patches that couldn't have possibly gone through a proper test cycle. And yes, you have caused them to engage attorney's to examine the terms of service, their findings, and the sanctions to ensure that legally it is within their rights. ALl of this because some people thought it would be OK to cheat at a videogame.

    Is this something you are particularly proud of?

    Look, everyone screws up. I am not holier than thou. I can certainly think of a few times in my life that I was less than proud of my own behavior. Though, I've never cheated at a videogame, just to be clear. But boy do I wish I could look back and say the worst mistake I ever made was cheating at a videogame.

    "B.b.b.b.ut the game let me do it! That makes it OK"

    Yes, it is on massive that the holes in the game went to production. There are many instances where we can see they did not code defensively. They aren't off the hook just because you all are.

    But your part in this is on you. A week off from the game is not the end of the world. And a rollback to the 17th, while that may seem to you to be unfair, it is what it is. I suppose that you might have thought about the possibility of a rollback when you decided to use the glitch.

    Now for me, I didn't glitch because it is just built into my moral code. But those that don't have that moral code, they can't just see it as wrong. Not their fault really, they are just wired a little different.

    Well, now we all know that if there is a glitch in the game that seems to be a gold mine for progressing your character or farming loot, if you use that you might be wasting your time and then some.

    Call it a teaching moment and move on. It is normal and natural to react with denial of any wrongdoing and trying to blame the other party.

    I'll agree that the bans and roll backs are fine. But to try and make Massive the victim by saying those that used the glitch are causing them more when all of this is going on, no. Massive released the update with the bugs. They always release updates with bugs. I'm starting to think that it's just their way of releasing content. If it's not buggy, it's not Massive. They are doing more work on it because of themselves. Sure, people didn't have to use the glitch and they shouldnt have, but Massive could have been more thorough in the release. That is on them and that is what caused them more work. They aren't the victim in this, they are the enabler. People tend to follow the path of least resistance, the glitch, for a lot, was a cheese way to get loot they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. So some of them are selectively being punished for it, me included. I'll take my ban and my roll back for testing it out. I tested for hours, I've admitted it numerous times.

    I, for one, am glad they are finally taking some kind of action for crap like this. But again, they are at fault as well. They have a track record of releasing things without good testing, and then asking us, by way of video, to show them the bugs so they can address them. They really need to take a look at their QA team. And yes I have experience working for software development companies, so I;m not just talking out my @#$. They have processes in place, or they should, that should catch things like this. It seems their process is broken, and again, it's on them. They need to fix it.
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