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    Violation of TOS

    Extent of an account rollback will be decided at Ubisoft’s discretion, on a case by case basis
    Duration of a suspension will be decided at Ubisoft’s discretion, on a case by case basis
    Actual disciplinary action may differ from the list of examples depending on the severity of the behavior and shall be decided at Ubisoft’s discretion, on a case by case basis

    There was no case by case basis. A mass ban / rollback is a direct violation of the terms of service.
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    I'm pretty sure someone put an excel sheet together and just click and drug the B column down with "account action".
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    You can't possibly say it wasn't done case by case. Thought it would seem the consequences are uniform, I am sure they had to look at each player's play individually to establish a basis for the action.

    Rather than be on forums trying to figure out how to bite back at Ubisoft, I would recommend ya'all just take some time to think about this....

    During a global pandemic, people had to take time away from their family to mine through server data to examine your online behavior. Instead of fixing problems or progressing the game in any way, you caused the entire company to have to put the brakes on and focus only on the damage you all caused. During a global pandemic. You caused them to have to work very long hours, and risk several unplanned emergency maintenance windows, and deploy patches that couldn't have possibly gone through a proper test cycle. And yes, you have caused them to engage attorney's to examine the terms of service, their findings, and the sanctions to ensure that legally it is within their rights. ALl of this because some people thought it would be OK to cheat at a videogame.

    Is this something you are particularly proud of?

    Look, everyone screws up. I am not holier than thou. I can certainly think of a few times in my life that I was less than proud of my own behavior. Though, I've never cheated at a videogame, just to be clear. But boy do I wish I could look back and say the worst mistake I ever made was cheating at a videogame.

    "B.b.b.b.ut the game let me do it! That makes it OK"

    Yes, it is on massive that the holes in the game went to production. There are many instances where we can see they did not code defensively. They aren't off the hook just because you all are.

    But your part in this is on you. A week off from the game is not the end of the world. And a rollback to the 17th, while that may seem to you to be unfair, it is what it is. I suppose that you might have thought about the possibility of a rollback when you decided to use the glitch.

    Now for me, I didn't glitch because it is just built into my moral code. But those that don't have that moral code, they can't just see it as wrong. Not their fault really, they are just wired a little different.

    Well, now we all know that if there is a glitch in the game that seems to be a gold mine for progressing your character or farming loot, if you use that you might be wasting your time and then some.

    Call it a teaching moment and move on. It is normal and natural to react with denial of any wrongdoing and trying to blame the other party.
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    Originally Posted by tcarlisle2012 Go to original post
    You can't possibly say it wasn't done case by case. Thought it would seem the consequences are uniform, I am sure they had to look at each player's play individually to establish a basis for the action.
    I'll have to disagree being I played D1 a long time and Ubi stance was they did nothing about glitches but once during Falcon lost.
    They set the precedent for allowing glitches and they are 100% responsible.
    I am not banned and did not glitch, not purposely. I'm sure I inadvertently did some stuff though with all the bugs.
    I can also confirm people were banned that did not glitch.
    My friend brought the game, just to play with me, and is the most outspoken person again hackers/glitches.
    He was banned. All the loot I helped him farmed will be rolled back.

    So no I don't agree with any of this.
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    Originally Posted by dogspeonlegs Go to original post
    I'll have to disagree being I played D1 a long time and Ubi stance was they did nothing about glitches but once during Falcon lost.
    They set the precedent for allowing glitches and they are 100% responsible.
    I am not banned and did not glitch, not purposely. I'm sure I inadvertently did some stuff though with all the bugs.
    I can also confirm people were banned that did not glitch.
    My friend brought the game, just to play with me, and is the most outspoken person again hackers/glitches.
    He was banned. All the loot I helped him farmed will be rolled back.

    So no I don't agree with any of this.
    Your friend protests too much.
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    I'm amazed at the threadbare integrity of those protesting their bans on the basis that "Massive never banned people for exploiting before". So? Does that make it okay? Personal ethics and morality are not dependent on Massive.

    If something is against the rules, it's against the rules, it doesn't matter if Massive have banned previously or not. You're still choosing to do something you absolutely promised every time you played (because you agree implicitly to the ToS when you actually play the game) that you wouldn't do. It doesn't make it better that you thought you could get away with it, or there would be no consequence.
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    they banned like 30,000 people in the first part of the first year of division 1..
    They have done it before..

    Also in the state of the game they said they looked at the accounts and the accounts actions..

    Thier words not mine..
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    People violated TOS so the bans / roll backs are justified.
    But the TOS also states punishment will be set on a case by case basis
    7 day ban and a 2 week roll back for all the people they claimed violated is a violation of the TOS.
    People who barely used it just screwing around maybe should have started there.
    People who did it in the dz, people who zombie farmed should have received more harsh punishment.
    Content creators who profited off of the exploit should have received the harshest punishment. With them also reaching out to youtube and/or twitch to also have them take action against them.
    Punishment should fit the crime. Not all violations are equal..
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    Originally Posted by tcarlisle2012 Go to original post
    You can't possibly say it wasn't done case by case. Thought it would seem the consequences are uniform, I am sure they had to look at each player's play individually to establish a basis for the action.

    Rather than be on forums trying to figure out how to bite back at Ubisoft, I would recommend ya'all just take some time to think about this....

    During a global pandemic, people had to take time away from their family to mine through server data to examine your online behavior. Instead of fixing problems or progressing the game in any way, you caused the entire company to have to put the brakes on and focus only on the damage you all caused. During a global pandemic. You caused them to have to work very long hours, and risk several unplanned emergency maintenance windows, and deploy patches that couldn't have possibly gone through a proper test cycle. And yes, you have caused them to engage attorney's to examine the terms of service, their findings, and the sanctions to ensure that legally it is within their rights. ALl of this because some people thought it would be OK to cheat at a videogame.

    Is this something you are particularly proud of?

    Look, everyone screws up. I am not holier than thou. I can certainly think of a few times in my life that I was less than proud of my own behavior. Though, I've never cheated at a videogame, just to be clear. But boy do I wish I could look back and say the worst mistake I ever made was cheating at a videogame.

    "B.b.b.b.ut the game let me do it! That makes it OK"

    Yes, it is on massive that the holes in the game went to production. There are many instances where we can see they did not code defensively. They aren't off the hook just because you all are.

    But your part in this is on you. A week off from the game is not the end of the world. And a rollback to the 17th, while that may seem to you to be unfair, it is what it is. I suppose that you might have thought about the possibility of a rollback when you decided to use the glitch.

    Now for me, I didn't glitch because it is just built into my moral code. But those that don't have that moral code, they can't just see it as wrong. Not their fault really, they are just wired a little different.

    Well, now we all know that if there is a glitch in the game that seems to be a gold mine for progressing your character or farming loot, if you use that you might be wasting your time and then some.

    Call it a teaching moment and move on. It is normal and natural to react with denial of any wrongdoing and trying to blame the other party.
    theres people with shd lvl 1000, infinite keys on raid glitchs, grenade launcher on DZ and only dps glitch was banned.... what exactly you understand as "case by case", we can assume that shd lvl 1000 etc are okay and no punishement needed because was analised case by case?
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