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    A more balanced and fair approach to the ban and account revert

    Being one of the people effected by the ban and upcoming 2-week account reset, I would like to express my opinion (and extreme frustration) at how this situation is being handled. I would like to propose a more balanced approach to the sanctions, and ask why this approach was not taken in the first place.

    The is a clear level of concern being caused by how the BUG was used. I say Bug, because there was no exploit in place. Regardless of what anyone claims, an exploit is a TOOL designed to take advantage of a flaw in software. There was no tool here. This was a bug in the code that was not discovered during the QA process.

    Not every player in this game cares enough (or has the time) to play PVP or worry about leaderboards. Some people just play a few hours when they can and stick to PVE. One could argue that the use of this bug could eventually give those players an unfair advantage over other players, should they choose to ever go into PVP. Fine. I concede the point.

    The sanctions should fit the crime... but this is where I have a very big problem. Not everyone is on the same page here. Should people that have used the bug for two solid weeks be treated the same as people who have only used the bug once and for a short period of time?

    As a hypothetical example, let's say player 1 decides to use the glitch to quickly level up a character. In a solid 2 week grind he is able to quickly get to SHD level 500, and this person would have a clear advantage over others.

    Now take user 2. An average PVE player who just happened to stumble unto the glitch 1 DAY before it was patched. Maybe the glitch was used to do a control point, or just run around shooting people for an hour or two. Then the next day the glitch is fixed.

    Do both people deserve the same sanctions? Why is the length of time not considered in the solution?

    A Proposed FAIR Resolution


    Ubisoft clearly has a programatic way to check for players that used the glitch (I assume by looking at damage spikes in their logs). Instead of rolling everyone back a full two weeks, the roll back should occur to the FIRST time the glitch was used.

    Assuming backups are only performed once per day, then roll back to the previous backup so there is no trace that anything happened.

    THIS is fair. Forcing EVERYONE into a sanction designed specifically to address the actions of a few people is NOT.


    Thank you.
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    Originally Posted by NightHawk0010 Go to original post
    Being one of the people effected by the ban and upcoming 2-week account reset, I would like to express my opinion (and extreme frustration) at how this situation is being handled. I would like to propose a more balanced approach to the sanctions, and ask why this approach was not taken in the first place.

    The is a clear level of concern being caused by how the BUG was used. I say Bug, because there was no exploit in place. Regardless of what anyone claims, an exploit is a TOOL designed to take advantage of a flaw in software. There was no tool here. This was a bug in the code that was not discovered during the QA process.

    Not every player in this game cares enough (or has the time) to play PVP or worry about leaderboards. Some people just play a few hours when they can and stick to PVE. One could argue that the use of this bug could eventually give those players an unfair advantage over other players, should they choose to ever go into PVP. Fine. I concede the point.

    The sanctions should fit the crime... but this is where I have a very big problem. Not everyone is on the same page here. Should people that have used the bug for two solid weeks be treated the same as people who have only used the bug once and for a short period of time?

    As a hypothetical example, let's say player 1 decides to use the glitch to quickly level up a character. In a solid 2 week grind he is able to quickly get to SHD level 500, and this person would have a clear advantage over others.

    Now take user 2. An average PVE player who just happened to stumble unto the glitch 1 DAY before it was patched. Maybe the glitch was used to do a control point, or just run around shooting people for an hour or two. Then the next day the glitch is fixed.

    Do both people deserve the same sanctions? Why is the length of time not considered in the solution?

    A Proposed FAIR Resolution


    Ubisoft clearly has a programatic way to check for players that used the glitch (I assume by looking at damage spikes in their logs). Instead of rolling everyone back a full two weeks, the roll back should occur to the FIRST time the glitch was used.

    Assuming backups are only performed once per day, then roll back to the previous backup so there is no trace that anything happened.

    THIS is fair. Forcing EVERYONE into a sanction designed specifically to address the actions of a few people is NOT.


    Thank you.
    I think this idea is fair but don't think will even bother with all that trouble is just easier to ban all glitchers to same date, without touching the whole glitchers or there streamers who got their free of jail card. No thanks nothing will make me even to think returning back to game other than banning the whole glitchers including their favorite kid streamer.
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    Be ready for for the white knights, they cried for bans against all exploiters but massive is taking a selective approach. They say they have evidence and check ever account for the spike🤔 but how could that be when a lot of exploiters escaped unscathed 🤦*♂️ oh that’s right some of them are big YouTube creators some are also paid by massive.

    The fact that they say they have proof but none to show, and the fact that if they did have proof you would know exactly when the glitch was used on each account. But choosing to reset back 2 weeks what a 🐊 of 💩 ...

    Not all that used the glitch filled up there inventory with god rolls of everything he’ll I seen a YouTube creator that said he did dps and boss glitch showed he had stack and stack on god rolled exotic. Not going to name him because it would be a breach of forum rules but he still has access to the game another 🤦*♂️ so yes massive your Algorithm is definitely flawed...🤔🤔
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    lets be honest we used it judging by masives past actions know one thought they would get nailed for it christ its a 7 day ban and 14 day roll back its not even that bad i got jack **** in that 14 days running missons all day hopefully this **** resets my rng when i come back
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    I think if you have been banned, any Big Horn, white clothing and Eagle Bearer gained in the last 14 days should be deleted. Increase their drop rates. Then anyone who can legitimately finish the Raid or a Legendary can easily get another in the future.
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    An exploit isn't a "Tool" - an exploit is simply an action that can be done through tool or through actions in a specific order done by the user.

    For example the DPS glitch required you to quickly switch weapons then go to Menu. Which is a "Specific set of actions done by the user"
    Using Mei's wall in overwatch to push team through the map - allowing people to shoot through buildings, again a specific set of actions done by the user.

    In other words, Exploit is an action.
    A Hack on the other hand usually involves modifying existing game files - this usually requires a tool even if that tool is notepad.

    You can't make up your own definitions and then expect judgement based on your own definitions.
    Are you a Sovereign Citizen or something?
    Cause you are using Sovereign Citizen logic.
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    They are rolling back to the 17th because that was the last full server backups made before maintenance. It is too much work to go through 10000 banned accounts 1 by one and set them to the exact day. They care about there time and need to keep working on the game. Now caring about your time is another matter. They ask for respect so give it to them. Maybe they will respect our time and give us a game that drops loot not junk. Then again I have played since TD1 beta and I know a lot of the issues and glitches are the exact same from the first game. Also the temp ban and rollback isn't bad but atleast be honest about why and who you are banning. I respect that they can't tell us how the anti cheat works but treat us like adults, even though some don't act it on the forums. Respect our time and we should respect theirs. For the majority of you that didn't cheat you may want to check Reddit there is a post from a guy that go 1500+ exotics from the glitch and only got 4 God rolls.... imagine how long you will have to play to get 1500 exotics with a 7% drop chance. They did promise less loot but better quality with this paid expansion. The issue is that the glitch exposed the lack of loot. If you don't believe me ask all the glitches what you can expect.

    Oh...and before I have to read another post about hurting the experience of other players. I will let you know that playing in most Match making parties on Heroic hurt my experience . I shouldn6have to get 100+ kills just to see the next closest at 55 without a damage glitch and if I can get the photos off my PS4 I will post the 20+ match making results that I use to improve my builds.
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    Originally Posted by NightHawk0010 Go to original post
    Being one of the people effected by the ban and upcoming 2-week account reset, I would like to express my opinion (and extreme frustration) at how this situation is being handled. I would like to propose a more balanced approach to the sanctions, and ask why this approach was not taken in the first place.

    The is a clear level of concern being caused by how the BUG was used. I say Bug, because there was no exploit in place. Regardless of what anyone claims, an exploit is a TOOL designed to take advantage of a flaw in software. There was no tool here. This was a bug in the code that was not discovered during the QA process.

    Not every player in this game cares enough (or has the time) to play PVP or worry about leaderboards. Some people just play a few hours when they can and stick to PVE. One could argue that the use of this bug could eventually give those players an unfair advantage over other players, should they choose to ever go into PVP. Fine. I concede the point.

    The sanctions should fit the crime... but this is where I have a very big problem. Not everyone is on the same page here. Should people that have used the bug for two solid weeks be treated the same as people who have only used the bug once and for a short period of time?

    As a hypothetical example, let's say player 1 decides to use the glitch to quickly level up a character. In a solid 2 week grind he is able to quickly get to SHD level 500, and this person would have a clear advantage over others.

    Now take user 2. An average PVE player who just happened to stumble unto the glitch 1 DAY before it was patched. Maybe the glitch was used to do a control point, or just run around shooting people for an hour or two. Then the next day the glitch is fixed.

    Do both people deserve the same sanctions? Why is the length of time not considered in the solution?

    A Proposed FAIR Resolution


    Ubisoft clearly has a programatic way to check for players that used the glitch (I assume by looking at damage spikes in their logs). Instead of rolling everyone back a full two weeks, the roll back should occur to the FIRST time the glitch was used.

    Assuming backups are only performed once per day, then roll back to the previous backup so there is no trace that anything happened.

    THIS is fair. Forcing EVERYONE into a sanction designed specifically to address the actions of a few people is NOT.


    Thank you.
    Cheating is cheating. Period, ya cheat on your gal? U gotta pay the price for it.
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    Google. Dictionary.com.

    Exploit: a software tool designed to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system, typically for malicious purposes such as installing malware.
    An exploit is a program or piece of code that finds and takes advantage of a security flaw in an application or system so that cybercriminals can ...

    An exploit can be a sequence of commands in the sense of an overflow, injection attack, etc. This is an error in the behavior of the software. it is a bug.

    ANd a 14 day roll back for me and i lose most of my grind. It's not right considering i only used it to try it out and run around for a bit. I don't even think i finished a CP. The fact that we are sitting here arguing over the semantics of what this is proves how vague the rules are. Is it against the rules if you find a bug? What about in the case where people found a bug to cause the bosses to respawn and drop more loot. Is that a bug? or an exploit? It's a software bug.

    But the previous person makes a good point. Why aren't the youtubbers banned for actually promoting the content??
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