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[Goat_of_Vermund]

You have a strong point, because Black Prior truthfully, makes conqueror almost obsolete AND has feats that a black prior should NOT have. Healing on full stance? Are you a shield tank too? No, your not so what the hell are you doing with a tank ability and kit that can dish more damage and defend than a conqueror. The whole debate about how conqueror has shield bash is trash, I am a rep 19 conqueror and my side bash doesnt do damage and isnt instant like black priors bash is, as well as how fast his freaking lights are compared to ours, and he gets a full stance that heals? The heavy that swings at the speed of jesus? Come on devs... same with Shaman, these 2 characters are an annoyance.

Conqueror and Black Prior has the exact same light attack and shieldbash speed. I don't know how fast Jesus is, but if he is as fast as Black Prior's heavies, I assume he is a pretty slow guy. Both characters have the same heavy speed.
Btw, Black Prior and Conqueror are both heavies with similar weaponry, I don't understand why conq should be tankier than bp. If anything, bp has the bigger shield, so logically he is the real tank.
Conqueror has heal on block, shieldbasher and body count, which are very good feats (his t4s are bad since the catapult nerf).

Conqueror is obviously in an inferior state compared to bp, but the real reasons are completely different: far worse damage, shorter range, no real offense, half of the kit is useless, the fullblock is next to useless against bp's core offensive moves, inability to hardfeint. This problem, however, is definetely not a BP problem, it is a conq problem, he has too many useless moves (chained shieldbash, shield uppercut, charged heavy, just to list a few). He should be one of the characters receiving a proper rework, because the last one was executed poorly.

[ballon009]

To be balanced... or to, not be Balanced. Everything is never as it seems, when the fog rolls down and it seems balanced, you will find yourself doomed at the hand of a greater evil- the hyper armour

[VyrusO]

Where the hell did I say the game is balanced? I pointed out bp is not broken with facts the opener ignored, I did not say bp won't wash up the floor with poorly made characters like highlander. It seems you are the one who is illiterate, or at least extremely stupid.

So you've just stated black prior can "wash up the floor with poorly made characters" - that implies there are weaker and stronger characters, and as long as one character can easily "wash up the floor with poorly made characters" it means it is broken - and in the exact same sentence you have asserted that black prior is not broken. You'd better shut your mouth. You are functionally illiterate.

[garr1999]

Ok here's the sentence ender bp is op if you have no thumbs including people who have thumbs but tend to be ignorant
when it comes to intended mechanics that don't make sense to "them" end of discussion now contribute to the
convo instead of making remarks and arguing like little children.

Either that or contribute to the reddit where the devs look at all the time complain and whine
about bp or any other hero you have "problems" with i'm sure they'll look into it who
knows they might change his recoveries again.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

So you've just stated black prior can "wash up the floor with poorly made characters" - that implies there are weaker and stronger characters, and as long as one character can easily "wash up the floor with poorly made characters" it means it is broken - and in the exact same sentence you have asserted that black prior is not broken. You'd better shut your mouth. You are functionally illiterate.

Since you are obviously have some cognitive shortcoming and severe problems understanding a text, I try one more time, this time using a very, very simple example.

Statement 1:
Shinobi is a poorly designed, very weak character.

Statement 2:
Kensei is considered a balanced character, actually pretty weak himself.


Up until this point, most people who know at least a very little about the game would agree. Let's use these as facts from now on.

Statement 3:
Kensei will wash up the floor with Shinobi any time unless there is a huge difference in their skills. Because Kensei is balanced, and Shinobi is a poorly designed, weak character.


If you were able follow up to this point, that means that just because BP can "wash up the floor with poorly made characters", he is not broken. The problem is with the "poorly made characters." Btw, if you see "poorly made characters" written down, that usually implies there is a problem with them that makes them weak- for example, they were made without offense or without a counter against some attacks, but they usually have a very huge shortcoming.

Conclusion: Black Prior is not broken. It is only broken if you play poorly (you are unable to dodge and expect others to don't bash you to death), or you picked a poorly made/weak character, like Shinobi, Nobushi or Highlander, but they are so weak it wouldn't make a difference if they would face a Warlord, Kensei or Tiandi (all three considered balanced by anyone).

Was it understandable for you this way, or should I use images for you?

[VyrusO]

Since you are obviously have some cognitive shortcoming and severe problems understanding a text, I try one more time, this time using a very, very simple example.

Statement 1:
Shinobi is a poorly designed, very weak character.

Statement 2:
Kensei is considered a balanced character, actually pretty weak himself.


Up until this point, most people who know at least a very little about the game would agree. Let's use these as facts from now on.

Statement 3:
Kensei will wash up the floor with Shinobi any time unless there is a huge difference in their skills. Because Kensei is balanced, and Shinobi is a poorly designed, weak character.


If you were able follow up to this point, that means that just because BP can "wash up the floor with poorly made characters", he is not broken. The problem is with the "poorly made characters." Btw, if you see "poorly made characters" written down, that usually implies there is a problem with them that makes them weak- for example, they were made without offense or without a counter against some attacks, but they usually have a very huge shortcoming.

Conclusion: Black Prior is not broken. It is only broken if you play poorly (you are unable to dodge and expect others to don't bash you to death), or you picked a poorly made/weak character, like Shinobi, Nobushi or Highlander, but they are so weak it wouldn't make a difference if they would face a Warlord, Kensei or Tiandi (all three considered balanced by anyone).

Was it understandable for you this way, or should I use images for you?

This is the last time I'll reply to your dumb assertions. It's clear enough you are experiencing a bad time suffering from confirmation bias.

Let's use your paradigm and let me add a little correction which is intended to represent the situation a bit more realistically.


Statement 1:

A character is considered weak. (A)


Statement 2:

A character is considered balanced (B)


Statement 3:

A character is considered op (C)


Let's suppose our hypothetical players have the same skill level.
Let's suppose they're gonna play some matches. Character A will play 10 matches against Character B and 10 matches against character C. Character B will play 10 matches against character A and 10 matches against character C, and so on.


Statement 4: Results of the tournament


A vs B: 3 - 7

A vs C: 0 - 10

B vs C: 3 - 7


In this hyper simplified scheme - but more accurate than your dumb example - you can see how the only character who was able to "wash up the floor with poorly made characters" is the op one. The average character also won against the weak character (because the weak character is weak, and probably needs a buff) but not as much as the op character did.

I hope your lazy brain is smart enough to understand and accept how functional illiteracy is affecting you.

[garr1999]

You do realize illiterate (unable to read or write) means making tons of grammatical errors right goat hasn't
done any mistakes in fact he was more detailed than you when explaining how mechanically balanced bp
is compared to the roster your just downplaying it and rediculing him for doing so
which puts you in a bad spot for it.

No one is stupid or illiterate you just saw one thing you thought was a mistake and just judged em
for it.

[garr1999]

You only have 3 posts you most likely nvr contributed to the forums via your own post
you have no right to judge kapeesh.

[VyrusO]

You do realize illiterate (unable to read or write) means making tons of grammatical errors right goat hasn't
done any mistakes in fact he was more detailed than you when explaining how mechanically balanced bp
is compared to the roster your just downplaying it and rediculing him for doing so
which puts you in a bad spot for it.

No one is stupid or illiterate you just saw one thing you thought was a mistake and just judged em
for it.

Hi Garr ^^

I've said "Functional illiteracy" which doesn't mean the same of "Illiteracy". I'll copy/paste what Wikipedia says about it since I'm not the best person to explain these kind of words .


Wikipedia:

Functional illiteracy is reading and writing skills that are inadequate "to manage daily living and employment tasks that require reading skills beyond a basic level".Functional illiteracy is contrasted with illiteracy in the strict sense, meaning the inability to read or write simple sentences in any language.

[garr1999]

So what your saying is that goat is incapable of reading and writing beyond a
basic level how would you know that when you don't even know how much he
has contributed to the forums. (What makes him functionally illiterate to you)