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[i.xsaikou.i]

i don't know what that team is doing, do they really play their own game? it's been a year since black prior release AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO FIX THIS OP CHARACTER YET. Damn god, this character has literally EVERYTHING you can do in the game and also has all the advantages
-unblockeable heavy
-bash
-bash after light
-unpunisheable bash
-trackeable zone attack
-high damage combo
-delayed movements
...
it seems that developers doesn't have any idea of what is going on with their own game and keep improving characters that definitely doesn't need to.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Let me correct a few things you stated wrongly in your post. In fact, let me correct all of it, since you are wrong about everything.


- Black Prior is not op, he is quite balanced. He only feels op in two instances: you either play a bad character and/or you play poorly and fail to adapt. If you are willing to adapt and play a good character, fights against him are fair.
- He doesn't have all the advantages. His damage is not high, he has no hyperarmor, his dodge heavy is still very poor, he has no dodge attacks (so no reaction punish against any other bashers).
- There were multiple patches to fix certain problems Black Prior had: they solved a problem that made the light-bash-light guaranteed, reduced the light openers' hit stun to make dodging bashes easier, reduced the heavy finishers' damage from 40 to 35, and increased the block recovery on shieldbashes which made them punishable by all dodge attacks and some guardbreaks.
- As I stated, the bash is unpunishable. If you find it unpunishable, that is either because you play a poorly designed character, or you have severe lack of skill.
- The zone is very, very slow. It's only usefulness is optionselects, and you might use it against people dodging on bash timing. In return, it consumes half of your stamina, and it has very poor recovery. Even poor characters get a guardbreak on dodge unless the BP follows it up with an easily parriable light.
- His damage is not high. It is avarage. Unless you stand still and let him hit you multiple times in a row.
- His delay game is very far from the best delay games.


So when that Black Prior who made you write this post beat you, it was either because you chose a worse character, or he was simply better than you (since you made so many incorrect statements which shows almost total ignorance, the latter is the likely answer).

[Lukettle]

So when that Black Prior who made you write this post beat you, it was either because you chose a worse character, or he was simply better than you (since you made so many incorrect statements which shows almost total ignorance, the latter is the likely answer).

"because you chose a worse character" That doesnt sound exactly "balanced", especially when it still applies to majority of the roster going against him. Right? Or at the very least its not what i myself imagine under that word.

[VyrusO]

because you chose a worse character

As the other guy has already remarked, saying " because you chose a worse character" implies an unbalanced system where the character you choose plays a majority role in the game than the actual skills.

That said, you proved you are functionally illiterate. I assume anyone who defends heroes like Black Prior, Lawbringer and so on is just functionally illiterate as you are.

[Siegfried-Z]

Tbf i have fun fighting agaisnt a Prior.

He is a pretty strong hero for sure but nothing OP imo. His kit is overall efficient where most heros can use only 50% of their kit at best.. this is maybe why he feels OP against some match up.

How many properties he has in his kit has nothing to do with how strong he is..
I would take Tiandi as an example.. is he op ? Of course not. Still he has HA, Bash, CC, undodgeable, 400ms lights, great dodges, softfeint.. see ?

The only thing which can be discussed about is his bash recovery Imo. It is indeed very low but still many heros can punish it with a read and some hero can even reaction punish it with Dodge into bash.

Of course BP can bait it into a flip or Dodge into GB but it require a read.

The other thing i would be ok to discuss about is his ability to annihilate ool game.. but tbh i like it as ool moove should not be a thing Imo.

Just to be clear i have grind BP to rep 12 but it is not one of my main.. i play him like one Times a weak maybe.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

"because you chose a worse character" That doesnt sound exactly "balanced", especially when it still applies to majority of the roster going against him. Right? Or at the very least its not what i myself imagine under that word.

I never said the game's balance is in a good state. I merely pointed out that the Black Prior is not an unfair hero to fight against. There are about 5 characters who are chanceless against him, maybe 5 more with severe disadvantages, and all of them are considered weak. For example, if you pick nobushi or centurion, even a Kensei or Aramusha will feel broken for you.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

As the other guy has already remarked, saying " because you chose a worse character" implies an unbalanced system where the character you choose plays a majority role in the game than the actual skills.

That said, you proved you are functionally illiterate. I assume anyone who defends heroes like Black Prior, Lawbringer and so on is just functionally illiterate as you are.

Where the hell did I say the game is balanced? I pointed out bp is not broken with facts the opener ignored, I did not say bp won't wash up the floor with poorly made characters like highlander. It seems you are the one who is illiterate, or at least extremely stupid.

[HKrytis]

Ubi is very bad at doing anything that requires thought or attention. Wouldnt count on getting anything done

[Bye_For_Honor]

i don't know what that team is doing, do they really play their own game? it's been a year since black prior release AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO FIX THIS OP CHARACTER YET. Damn god, this character has literally EVERYTHING you can do in the game and also has all the advantages
-unblockeable heavy
-bash
-bash after light
-unpunisheable bash
-trackeable zone attack
-high damage combo
-delayed movements
...
it seems that developers doesn't have any idea of what is going on with their own game and keep improving characters that definitely doesn't need to.

everything you stated for bp is balanced
the only thing that should be nerfed is his recovery after bash , making it like conq's recovery other than that he is fine , he doesn't need to be nerfed to the ground and making him trash
instead they should buff the low tiers to make them be able to compete with bp warden etc

[mikez919]

You have a strong point, because Black Prior truthfully, makes conqueror almost obsolete AND has feats that a black prior should NOT have. Healing on full stance? Are you a shield tank too? No, your not so what the hell are you doing with a tank ability and kit that can dish more damage and defend than a conqueror. The whole debate about how conqueror has shield bash is trash, I am a rep 19 conqueror and my side bash doesnt do damage and isnt instant like black priors bash is, as well as how fast his freaking lights are compared to ours, and he gets a full stance that heals? The heavy that swings at the speed of jesus? Come on devs... same with Shaman, these 2 characters are an annoyance.