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    Addressing Light Spam



    Hello Warriors!

    Thank you for participating and sharing your feedback for the live Testing Grounds.

    Several changes have been made in the Testing Grounds to address Light Spam, particularly among Console players, and we wanted to further elaborate on how to effectively counter this.

    TheFilthySpaniard, a well-known For Honor Community member, created a great quick video that clearly explains how these changes affect gameplay. We strongly encourage you to watch the video below and see for yourself!


    As you can see in this video:
    • In the Live game, after an opponent has finished his chain of Light attacks, they can then restart their Light chain again before you can act. In the Testing Grounds, if you throw your Light attack as early as possible your attack will land before theirs can, allowing you to continue your own offense.
    • In the Live game, Orochi and Nuxia can perform their Light Chain attacks, and it is impossible to dodge the 2nd or 3rd Light. In the Testing Grounds, you can now dodge these mid-chain Lights and counter attack.
      Note: Depending on your feedback, we may look into deploying this change to other characters as well.


    We appreciate all the feedback you have been providing us. Please continue to let us know your thoughts on Testing Grounds.

    The feedback survey is open to all players, including those who have already completed it once.

    If you missed the initial post that detailed all the changes of the Testing Grounds, click here.

    Thank you Warriors! See you on the battlefield!
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    I'm on PC and having trouble trying to dodge Nobushi's lights. Is it me or can anyone confirm that it's not possible to dodge her lights?

    EDIT: I see it's just Orochi and Nuxia that have received the changes. I think the changes should apply to all potential light spammers.
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    Thank You! I think the new testing grounds build is in the right direction in addressing light spam! I'm ok if 1 or 2 light chained attacks connect at a time, but the frustrating thing with the game in its current state is that the infinite light spam chains can keep connecting even if we are just holding block in the proper direction or trying to dodge! It feels like you are stuck, while all the light hits and bashes keep connecting. I can't even count the number of times this has happened versus Aramusha, Conquerer, Nobushi, and even Bezerker infinte chains at times, where I'm just holding block and the hits just keep connecting, so all I can do is roll away and disengage. By that time, over half of my health is gone and pretty much have to retreat the heal. There are many times where I'll try to return with a light attack chain of my own and it seems like even my light attacks don't connect or trade even though I initiated the light attack first! The most frustrating is when they GB right through my own light attacks like they didn't even register. This may be a console specific problem and I'm sure many players share the same frustration, but glad to hear that the current light spam meta is being addressed.
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    Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Dawn Go to original post
    I'm on PC and having trouble trying to dodge Nobushi's lights. Is it me or can anyone confirm that it's not possible to dodge her lights?

    EDIT: I see it's just Orochi and Nuxia that have received the changes. I think the changes should apply to all potential light spammers.
    You should be able to dodge out of her chains. The only two heros I know where this isn't possible is versus kensei and Jormungndr. This is because both of these hero's lights cause a medium hit stun compared to the light hit stun that most lights do.

    Personally i've had it be a bit inconsistent against bushi. but I have attributed that to her weird tracking concerning her top lights. I seem to be able to dodge out of side light hits much easier. Then again I could have just been playing poorly. So take my experience with a grain of salt.


    EDIT: Alright so I went and did some quick digging. here's the list of heros that cause a medium hit reaction in what situations. Again medium hit reaction means you can't dodge the follow up light.


    -Kensei lights
    -Jormundundr's lights
    -Shugoki's light
    -peace keeper lights while you're bleeding
    -Orochi's riptide, storm rush, and light deflect. (can dodge the 400ms of rochi after storm rush if you blocked storm rush though)
    -Nuxia's dodge attacks, deflect, and parry punish.
    -Valk's mid chain top lights can't be dodged if you eat an opening light
    -Tiandi's light finishers

    Will update the list if I find anymore.
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    Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post

    -Kensei lights
    -Jormundundr's lights
    -Shugoki's light
    -peace keeper lights while you're bleeding
    -Orochi's riptide, storm rush, and light deflect. (can dodge the 400ms of rochi after storm rush if you blocked storm rush though)
    -Nuxia's dodge attacks, deflect, and parry punish.
    -Valk's mid chain top lights can't be dodged if you eat an opening light
    -Tiandi's light finishers

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    Good stuff! ill be checking back if you get any more updates to this list.
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    The longer video this came from



    And here is a followup video by the same content creator

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    Honestly, how do you deal with infinite chain light spam? Just played against a Conquerer & Aramusha tonight that once they got one hit I was infinitely stunned until they ran out of stamina. This is not fun.
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    Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
    You should be able to dodge out of her chains. The only two heros I know where this isn't possible is versus kensei and Jormungndr. This is because both of these hero's lights cause a medium hit stun compared to the light hit stun that most lights do.

    Personally i've had it be a bit inconsistent against bushi. but I have attributed that to her weird tracking concerning her top lights. I seem to be able to dodge out of side light hits much easier. Then again I could have just been playing poorly. So take my experience with a grain of salt.


    EDIT: Alright so I went and did some quick digging. here's the list of heros that cause a medium hit reaction in what situations. Again medium hit reaction means you can't dodge the follow up light.


    -Kensei lights
    -Jormundundr's lights
    -Shugoki's light
    -peace keeper lights while you're bleeding
    -Orochi's riptide, storm rush, and light deflect. (can dodge the 400ms of rochi after storm rush if you blocked storm rush though)
    -Nuxia's dodge attacks, deflect, and parry punish.
    -Valk's mid chain top lights can't be dodged if you eat an opening light
    -Tiandi's light finishers

    Will update the list if I find anymore.
    Thanks for the info. I was going by two experiences I had with Nobushi and the official word on light spam:

    Originally Posted by UbiYubble Go to original post

    • In the Live game, Orochi and Nuxia can perform their Light Chain attacks, and it is impossible to dodge the 2nd or 3rd Light. In the Testing Grounds, you can now dodge these mid-chain Lights and counter attack.
      Note: Depending on your feedback, we may look into deploying this change to other characters as well.

    If the official word is accurate, that would explain the inconsistencies we experienced with Nobushi but I will keep an eye out.
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    Originally Posted by DARTHWANGER Go to original post
    Honestly, how do you deal with infinite chain light spam? Just played against a Conquerer & Aramusha tonight that once they got one hit I was infinitely stunned until they ran out of stamina. This is not fun.
    You should be able to just dodge out of them if you can't react block. However I know at least for aramusha's case if he starts mixing deadly feints in there dodging out becomes more of a read you make rather than one you do on reaction. I'm not sure when it comes to conq mixing in heavies. I do know you can roll away from conq's who only light in the infinite chain since they don't have good range.
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    Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Dawn Go to original post
    Thanks for the info. I was going by two experiences I had with Nobushi and the official word on light spam:
    If the official word is accurate, that would explain the inconsistencies we experienced with Nobushi but I will keep an eye out.
    The wording there indicates that there is an increased delay for the chain linking of said lights since you can't typically dodge out of 400ms lights.
    In regards to nobushi after more experience and seeing footage you 100% can dodge out of her chain lights. I have no info in regards to her hidden stance lights though.

    Hopefully today i'll get to look into those along with Aramusha's deadly feint lights.
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