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    Ubisoft / D2 DEVs: This game wasn’t yours to destroy

    An open letter to the developers and Ubisoft senior leadership....

    What if you got up one day and said “I’m going to go buy a new car!” But not just any car, your dream car; the car you have wanted to build for a long time? So you go down to the new car dealer; and you sit down with a salesman to go through their options catalog; and you go to the painstaking trouble of hand picking everything they offer; the paint and interior colors and materials, the electronics, the wheels, the motor improvements...everything you wanted to make the car “yours”; you spend hours going through the process.

    Then you hand over your hard earned money to them; your vehicle is delivered....you are in love. Everything is just how you ordered it!

    Then several months later you get notified of a minor recall; you take your car in to have the recall corrected.....and when you get your car back.....your wheels are gone; your stereo and speakers have been replaced with cheaper components; the engine has been pulled...no longer is your high performance vehicle “high performance”....all the options you spent hours selecting, and all the effort you took to personalize your car, to make it unique....are gone.

    What you are left with is a piece of junk that you paid top dollar for....and when you ask “wtf did you do to my car!?” The dealers says “well, we just think we needed to pull back on your choices and correct some things....because “other” car owners who do not have the time, effort, or money to build as good a car as you built....well they are feeling like they have been cheated. So we made some changes.”

    And you say, “OK....then how about we talk about the money you owe me for all the high performance parts you removed from my car?”

    And the dealer....”oh, no, we don’t owe you anything....we have a RIGHT to change our product as we see fit...you just have to deal with it.”

    Well that is what happened yesterday....they took a product that we paid hard earned money for; that people, not unlike myself, spent hundreds of hours crafting and designing and arbitrarily decided we had no right to keep it.

    I personally spent over 1000 hours in this game. I took the time, put forth the effort; diligently collected the gear I wanted; I recalibrated and optimized my gear and weapons....over the course of an entire year. They took what we paid for, worked to build and gutted it...and they don’t give a damn how we feel about it.

    I didn’t complain much when they nerfed the gear scores, 3 months into the game.

    I didn’t complain when they nerfed weapon damage and NPCs 5 months into the game.

    I didn’t complain when they nerfed the power of talents and attributes....

    Through all of those issues I compensated and adjusted.

    But they didn’t “nerf” things this time....they completely stripped entire pieces of gear from the game; they stripped talents and attributes and actually changed the core talents and attributes in pieces of gear; substituting them with others that have absolutely nothing to do with the gear pieces we collected, and recalibrated.

    It is pure narcissism, and a complete disregard for the loyalty and dedication of consumers of your product to just arbitrarily gut the content of a product and then expect people to just “deal with it”.

    Ubisoft no longer owned this game....I paid for it. The developers no longer had a right to completely dismantle the game I paid for.

    Certainly you built it; you created it....but once you placed it on a shelf for sale....and I purchased it....it became mine, not yours.

    You had absolutely no right to destroy an entire years worth of my work and effort in this game...none.

    Sadly the developers of D2 and Ubisoft in general are revealing themselves to be very far from the types of businesspeople you would find in a new car dealership....they would all feel much more at home at a “buy here / pay here” lot...one that is continually sued by the authorities for rolling back the odometer on the flood damaged vehicles that you can’t get a CarFax report on.

    You should be completely ashamed at what you did to this game yesterday....I didn’t believe anyone could screw up a game worse than the way you screwed up Breakpoint....but man was I wrong; this must have been a “hold my beer” challenge between your two teams....and you won, hands down.

    Ubisoft....you’ve told me your last lie; you’ve broken your last game with me; you’ve received the last dollar from me you’re ever going to get.
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    You must be new to RPG/Looter in general. Gear changes, what was once good is not so good anymore and you gotta refarm. Its what stops a game from being stale and boring. Imagine if you didn't get any new gear and just got content that was about 4hrs worth of story. Yup, nope. Sorry to say but this is NOT an uncommon thing. When there is a "major" expansion, usually everything leading up to that becomes legacy and old. Its got to be. Sorry if you did not know this but this is how these things work.
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    Originally Posted by Dragonmaster083 Go to original post
    Sorry if you did not know this but this is how these things work.
    Please tell me you see the irony in "how things work" considering you're responding to a detailed description of how a transaction WORKS. Please, give me some hope for humanity.

    At OP. Well said, great analogy. I'd say it's ours and not ours but tomatoe tomato.
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    Actually it is theirs to do as they please with, and when we download/buy or play the game it's within their Eula we all agree to, I mean not many people read it but it's in their whether we like it or not .

    As per EULA

    UBISOFT

    may modify the Product for any reason or without any specific reason, at any time and at its entire discretion, in particular for technical reasons such as updates, maintenance operations and/or resets to improve and/or optimize the Product. You agree that the Product may install or download the modifications automatically. You agree that UBISOFT may stop to support previous versions of the Product upon availability of an updated version.


    PS: before anyone jumps on the improve or optimize, under their rules and their legal EULA terms what they do can be considered optimizing and improving in their eyes.

    Again whether we like it or not.

    PPS: no i'm not agreeing with them i'm just putting it in Black and white what legal rights they have within the EULA of theirs.

    Whether we own the game or not.
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    I’d say you literally didn’t even bother reading my post....

    With 2000 hours in D1, 2500 hours in Wildlands, 1136 in D2, and 901 hours in Breakpoint....as well as a beta tester for all 4 games....I’m quite sure I know exactly “how things work”....and never before yesterday has an entire game in either series been completely trashed the way this one was.

    Do yourself a favor....keep your condescending, fanboy, paid Ubisoft troll BS to yourself......there is absolutely zero justification for the attack on the long term players builds that was launched yesterday....none.
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    Originally Posted by Cadillac-Jack Go to original post
    Actually it is theirs to do as they please with, and when we download/buy or play the game it's within their Eula we all agree to, I mean not many people read it but it's in their whether we like it or not .

    As per EULA

    UBISOFT

    may modify the Product for any reason or without any specific reason, at any time and at its entire discretion, in particular for technical reasons such as updates, maintenance operations and/or resets to improve and/or optimize the Product. You agree that the Product may install or download the modifications automatically. You agree that UBISOFT may stop to support previous versions of the Product upon availability of an updated version.


    PS: before anyone jumps on the improve or optimize, under their rules and their legal EULA terms what they do can be considered optimizing and improving in their eyes.

    Again whether we like it or not.

    PPS: no i'm not agreeing with them i'm just putting it in Black and white what legal rights they have within the EULA of theirs.
    Good to know I am not going to purchase another ubisoft title for as long as I live since they have the ability to screw everything up at anytime. Thanks for the heads up!
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    Originally Posted by ReconDoc83 Go to original post
    I’d say you literally didn’t even bother reading my post....

    With 2000 hours in D1, 2500 hours in Wildlands, 1136 in D2, and 901 hours in Breakpoint....as well as a beta tester for all 4 games....I’m quite sure I know exactly “how things work”....and never before yesterday has an entire game in either series been completely trashed the way this one was.

    Do yourself a favor....keep your condescending, fanboy, paid Ubisoft troll BS to yourself......there is absolutely zero justification for the attack on the long term players builds that was launched yesterday....none.
    I read all of it.

    Do I agree with them NO I don't I actually said I don't, i'm just pointing out their legal terms and the EULA they have which we all agree to when the game is downloaded onto our systems.

    There is also a section about whether the product is in a working condition so if you want to read it then try a law suit then go for it you may have grounds.

    Here is that section for you i'll even highlight certain parts for you

    UBISOFT

    warrants that the physical medium containing the Product shall be free from defects in material and workmanship for a period of ninety (90) days from the date of Your purchase of such medium. In the event that the medium containing the Product proves to be defective during that time period, UBISOFT will, at UBISOFT’s option, free of charge, (a) correct any defect, (b) replace the Product, (c) substitute a similar Product of equal or greater value (in the event the Product is not longer being manufactured by UBISOFT or available in UBISOFT’s inventory), or (d) refund Your money when You present UBISOFT with written proof of purchase of the defective medium. THIS IS YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR THE EXPRESS WARRANTY SET FORTH IN THIS SECTION



    PS as for the pathetic fanboy UBI troll (ha ha ha)

    Best path to take is read what you are agreeing to if you don't agree don't download, and get a refund.
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    I’m sorry you missed the facetiousness and sarcasm in my post.....I could care less about their EULA; or the fact that anyone believes it gives them carte blanche to trash the efforts of an entire community of players.

    Maybe I should have included that because they believe they “can” do whatever they want because “they built it”....is why their company lost 17% of its value between the launch of D2 and Breakpoint.

    My post is quite honestly meant to be a wake up call to the idiots running things at Ubisoft.....before they end up bankrupt.

    They already had to push all of their AAA releases back to 2021 because of this fiasco.

    Of all the “things” in this game that needed fixing....that they didn’t touch, to instead roll out this dog turd.
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    Cadillac that first response wasn’t in reference to you....it was to the Dragon person.
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    Hey, I disagree with you too, does that mean I can get Ubisoft to send me some cold hard cash? I'm gathering that you think that's the only way anyone could possibly disagree with you, ridiculous as that is, so I'm hoping to get paid for my dissent.

    I don't especially like the fact that so many things were changed on such a deep level, but it's not even remotely the first time it's been done, especially in the looter shooter genre that Division squarely falls within. Incremental changes weren't working for their design, so they changed it. Pretending that it shouldn't happen when it's been the state of live games basically forever now, is absurd.

    You didn't buy a product of your own, you bought access to theirs, nothing more. If this were a single player game I'd be right there with you, but it's not. They aren't responsible to you no matter how many hours you have into their games, their responsibility is to the game itself and what they believe will have the best outcome for the most people. Sometimes they (whether it's Ubisoft or any other studio) get it right, sometimes they don't, but day one isn't going to make that apparent no matter how hurt your feelings are.

    The whole OP reeks of an absurd level of entitlement, and I don't even disagree with the basic premise that this wrecked builds and play styles I've invested many, many, many hours into. I would 100% be happier, at least right now before I've had time to really dig into the changes, if things stayed the way they were. But good lord, the tantrum in the OP is just crazy levels of self-delusion about how these games work, have worked, and will continue to work. By all means, don't buy any more Ubisoft games, vote with your wallet. You'll either be joined in droves and Ubisoft will learn that they made a huge mistake or, and I'm guessing this will be the case, their changes will ultimately not substantially make the game any better or worse, just different, and the vast majority of players will just continue playing without gathering our tears in a big cup to splash all over the forums.
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