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[Goat_of_Vermund]

By the way, some characters have no unblockables at all. Raider's having some weakness does not justify its priority.

[MrBdur]

Are you serious? Do you understand how badly other things need to be done before raider gets more attention? He just had half a year dedicated to him ffs.

We need:

- Revenge fixes
- matchmaking fixes
- external indicator fixes
- feat reworks
- Breach rework
- cent rework
- nobushi rework
- highlander rework
- orochi rework
- shinobi rework
- pk rework
- shaolin rework
- nuxia rework
- zhanhu rework
- jormungander rework

At this point seriously who gives a crap about raider. Half the cast of heroes are unplayable in comparison. Revenge is in an extremely bad place right now due to inconsistencies Matchmaking can take up to 5 minutes even in dominion and the lag issues in this game are unreal. Feats need a lot of changes because certain characters have all the good ones while others have nothing. Pk's feats vs lawbringer's feats for example. Screw raider (for now at least). The team has infinite amounts of work to do and most people would be upset if they waste anymore potential rework time on that dude.

Oh my god. If only half the community thinks roughly the same way as Canadian does (I do), then why doesn't the For Honor team not work on those points that really matter?
Ah right, yes, because there is a lot of unimportant stuff that regularly makes the "headlines" because some players prefer winning about a balanced game :/

At this point, , as Canadian pointed out, we have a whole bracket of heroes that has major problems, their viability dimishing fast at certain skill levels.
What reworking Breach means though, I dunno. It is still one of my favorite modes.

You are completely right. Reworking raider now would be like bandaging a broken fingernail while the patient is bleeding out from the recent amputation of the other arm. Raider might not be the best now, but he is not thrash either, and he can wait after the 2 seasons of bs he made every game he was in.

Lol. The thing I loved about this game at launch was that most heroes felt pretty balanced. A few not so much but for the most part, everyone was equal. At least it seemed that way when I'd play against other players.

Now, there are tons of players who ONLY care about the win. They don't care if they earned it or not. Unfortunately these types of players have been catered to a bit too much I think. They are the pay to win types.

Honestly, I feel like the real players, the ones who play because they love the game, would provide the company with longer term loyalty (and money) so I'm a little confused as to why those pay to win types get priority like that. Who cares if their main is being nerfed, let them cry, just make the heroes fair already!!

When this game launched, there was a ridiculous learning curve that kept most of those pay to win types away because it didn't matter how much you spent, you HAD to be good to do well, no matter your hero. Now, just pick a strong hero, and press buttons. You win.

Well hello, pay to win dweebs.

[garr1999]

I know I was just joking

[garr1999]

About the heby on red thing

[Vakris_One]

How is Hitokiri defensive? Isnt he pure offense lol

They designed the hero so that she can heavy on reaction to seeing red. Nerfing her HA so that she can no longer heavy on red does not change the fact that she was initially designed as a defensively minded hero that made up for lacking an opener by having HA protecting her heavies. Now that she can no longer trade on red she is actually less able to throw out attacks because any hero with a 500ms light or faster can stuff her out of her charged heavy on reaction.

Hitokiri is basically an example of the devs not understanding how to make offence work without an opener and making up for it with HA and then backpedaling on the HA after comp players pointed out this glaring issue to them.

[Bye_For_Honor]

Raider needs a buff, or a new rework. Because Raider is just trash when it comes to unblockables. Because every game i come across characters that is bullying Raider around. And Raider has been my main since launch, and that was 3 years ago. So please give him some new unblockables or attack speed. Because when i go against Black Prior, i lose 99% of the time because of the shieldbash and light. And i cant seem to dodge the shield bash what so ever. And i feel like trash, and the fact is that im not trash, its just that i get so frustrated because of this.

raider is trash right now devs truly ruined him i actually prefer the old raider before rework than his current state coming from a rep 70 raider main
he at least had dodge gb which made him unique and very good against bashes they removed that which it made sense after they rework him and he is finally a viable pick , players couldn't handle that didn't want to learn the matchup cried about how op he is , when there is even stronger heroes like bp warden around been strong since forever then they removed one of his best and crucial tools to mix up his stunning tap making his heavies followup useless
he has no pressure whatsoever right now so frustrating to play even the zone are super easy to react to , just parry it last frame or option select

good job ubi good job

[Goat_of_Vermund]

itsLoOoda: objectively, Raider might (Might) use some very minor buffs. The lights slower than 500ms should be faster, though that is the only one buff I can think of. However, as others said, he is still the best vanguard for 4v4, a very good pick, and not a terribly duelist either. He is ok.
Subjectively, Raider ruined the game for two seasons, and he is not terrible currently. Centurion, Peacekeeper, Highlander, Kensei, Shugoki, Orochi, Nobushi, Shinobi, Aramusha, Tiandi, Nuxia and Zhanhu are. Conqueror needs a rework too. Until all of that are not done, zero resources should be spent on Raider.

[The_B0G_]

itsLoOoda: objectively, Raider might (Might) use some very minor buffs. The lights slower than 500ms should be faster, though that is the only one buff I can think of. However, as others said, he is still the best vanguard for 4v4, a very good pick, and not a terribly duelist either. He is ok.
Subjectively, Raider ruined the game for two seasons, and he is not terrible currently. Centurion, Peacekeeper, Highlander, Kensei, Shugoki, Orochi, Nobushi, Shinobi, Aramusha, Tiandi, Nuxia and Zhanhu are. Conqueror needs a rework too. Until all of that are not done, zero resources should be spent on Raider.

Agreed, he's a long, long way down the list for balancing. HL has needed a rework since he was released, his first "rework" didn't do anything to fix his weaknesses, he's too slow overall, and uses too much stamina just to name a couple of general issues. Every time you throw out 3 or 4 attacks or his kick/toss mixup you need to step back and wait for stamina regen, he has next to no pressure he can apply.

[Vakris_One]

itsLoOoda: objectively, Raider might (Might) use some very minor buffs. The lights slower than 500ms should be faster, though that is the only one buff I can think of. However, as others said, he is still the best vanguard for 4v4, a very good pick, and not a terribly duelist either. He is ok.
Subjectively, Raider ruined the game for two seasons, and he is not terrible currently. Centurion, Peacekeeper, Highlander, Kensei, Shugoki, Orochi, Nobushi, Shinobi, Aramusha, Tiandi, Nuxia and Zhanhu are. Conqueror needs a rework too. Until all of that are not done, zero resources should be spent on Raider.

Kensei is arguably the best Vanguard in 4v4 because of his safe mid clear and great team fighting. Raider was the best until he lost stun tap.

For sure, there are many other heroes in need of more work than Raider but consider the fact that almost all of them need an extensive rework. Whereas Raider had viable offence only for it to be taken away again because the devs couldn't be bothered to code in dimishimg returns on blind type moves. Raider is closer than most to having viable offence. It would be much easier to make a change to someone like Raider, PK or Kensei in order to improve them than it would to rework someone that needs a lot of work like Highlander, Jormungandr, Orochi, Shinobi, etc.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

That is a fair point. Considering the usual pace of work though, it doesn't matter, neither will happen.

Ps: might be for minion clearing, maybe even for antiganks. For ganks and rotations, Raider is still superior.