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[TrondurIGotu]

Yes another rant, but seriously...why does Black Prior exist? His shield bash is WAY to fast. You cannot compare that to any other bash in the game. Its literally instant. You should not be able to do a bash from a forward dodge, it should of been incorporated into his chains better. The amount of time you can delay it is so dumb as well. He has really good heavy follow ups, but they are never used since all you have to do is dash, bash, and light. I complain about a lot of heroes, but usually I can get better against them like everyone else, but BP is the only hero where I have literally have NOT gotten better at fighting. Its almost impossible to beat a BP unless maybe I use an assassin, but I dont like assassins so there.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Well, they are not just comparable, but the timings and delays are almost the same as conqueror's, and it is actually not faster than most other bashes (dodge+500ms is pretty standard, heroes with forward dodge bash all have the same). I think the chainbash and the 17 damage he gets are more problematic than this. And no, an assassin won't help, you need other top tier duelists like warden to fight him on equal ground.

[Qoissant]

Neutral bashes do feel crappy but without them i think defense would just be way too good. The most annoying things about BP have to be: the light bash infinite combo, the AoE on his flip, the dash forward heavy being a crushing counter move, and just how much tracking his lights and bashes have; very common to get hit mid dodge by braindead vortigers due the massive AoE on lights and the bash seemingly following you.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Lol, I have never hear a complaint about prior's dash attack. And he has no infinite light bash light chain.

[Qoissant]

Lol, I have never hear a complaint about prior's dash attack. And he has no infinite light bash light chain.

You're right. I think its: light bash light and bash light bash light? It feels infinite when you fight bash happy vortigers

[Goat_of_Vermund]

No, after the bash landed, he gets a light finisher, which doesn't chain, but you may cancel the recovery into bulwark, then use bulwark slash (the unblockable) if you want to.

[Vakris_One]

If you can react to Conq's bash and Warlord headbutt then you should have no problem with BP's bash. If it's instant for you then you're playing against someone with crappy internet or your own setup is bad.

If you want to nullify BP's bash just pick an assassin with a 500ms dodge attack or Conq, or LB, or Warden... bash problems solved.

[atac56]

if you can be bashed light bash lighted by a black prior to death then you should practice dodging it. how he can delay his bash is cheesy buts it nothing we havent seen before with the other bashes in the game

[Goat_of_Vermund]

What might be too much is the 17 damage followup. Light finishers should be 15.

[Qoissant]

I leave the ms stuffs for other knowledgeable people, I will contribute my own experience.
shield bash is not so bad, when you can manage to read conqueror's bash and warlord's headbutt reliably, BP's bash is very much the same, it's even worse.
BP and the rest of everyone is here to stay, OP. No amount of rants, rave and salt can remove them.

I understand saying his OP. especially for a large amount of the player base. However, the real problem here i believe is that he is just really well made due to attention to detail. Other heroes even after reworks feel as if they never received the kind of love BP got. He can't be OP though because he can certainly be beaten if the skill difference is enough. it does seem that he is one of the easier heroes to use and because of that he technically: "makes people good" because of how well rounded he is.

Lot's of people call jorm OP because of how fast he can cup a feel on you with his little Icelandic hands, then follow up with a free 50 damage once you can't handle the tickling anymore. But that is just fast attacks with no real moves that can be used to trick skilled players. Vortiger just has a real kit and is fast, not at all OP but the characters around him just fail to be what they're intended to be.