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[Saltreaver]

JJ is great in 4vs4 not in 1vs1. I only use him when i can play with friends in premade group. Pick his feat that regens teammates stamina and watch Jorm struggle and try to get them OOS, its way too funny.

[MrGrippz]

Shugoki is horrible in 4v4s and can be easily stalled. He would actually need a buff in this mode...and overall actually. Shugoki actually has a move that will pretty much be a death sentence if he uses it: demon ball. If he uses demon ball, he has to commit to it’s long animation and because he doesn’t get hit out of it, he takes all the damage thrown at him without having a chance to react.

I’m pretty sure shugoki is one of the only characters who has a death sentence move. Not in 1v1s, but in a team fight it’s surely a death sentence. Shugoki can’t chase noir escape anything. And his hug will only make you eat more damage from others.

“Far better” is not even close in shugoki’s state. If anything, JJ is far better than shugoki In 4v4s.

No way yo. Hyper armor lights, insane tracking, soft feint into grab that gives health + full stamina? I got buds that are beasts with Shugo 4v4 you just gotta know how to use em properly.

[MrGrippz]

But JJ is still the best anti ganker if not the best much better than Shugoki

I would say he is better but Shugo is still viable in 4v4s.

Anti gank i like my JJ, Zhanhu, Raider & Warlord. JJ would be better if his HA activated faster.

[Vakris_One]

He is still the best anti ganker I think only LB might be better in anti ganking then he is

LB isn't good at anti-ganking. He's good at stalling out a gank.

The best anti-gank hero currently is probably BP.

[Vakris_One]

Id say JJ is still better. BP's main anti gank too is his bulwark flip which can be interrupted

That's kind of a strange argument to make for JJ considering he can also be interrupted out of his zone with the same amount of precision that would be required to pull off an interrupt on the flip follow up. Even at the top level people aren't simply reaction interrupting BP's flip so I can't really see the reasoning behind arguing that BP's bullwark is a bigger liability than JJ's anti-gank tools.

The very generous window for external crushing counters and BP's ability to not only cancel his recoveries with bullwark but also turn them into a punish and mixup tool makes him a more effective anti-ganker than JJ in my experience.

[Okt0g00N]

Came back 2 days later, was expecting this thread to be dead, but from what i gathered, he is hated because he was hated, and has decent punishes, plus a wide zone attack which most heroes have
There is no given information on why he is so good at anti ganking, but from my guesses, could be the huge zone.

So alright, he seems like a slow boi with only real potential in 4v4.
Kinda sad, was expecting him to be more fast and deadly, but in reality he just sits and parries you to deal 25

[Vakris_One]

Came back 2 days later, was expecting this thread to be dead, but from what i gathered, he is hated because he was hated, and has decent punishes, plus a wide zone attack which most heroes have
There is no given information on why he is so good at anti ganking, but from my guesses, could be the huge zone.

So alright, he seems like a slow boi with only real potential in 4v4.
Kinda sad, was expecting him to be more fast and deadly, but in reality he just sits and parries you to deal 25

JJ is better at anti-ganking than most heroes because he has access to a 360 degree unblockable zone from a parry as well as being able to extend his i-frames after a dodge by using Sifu poise which allows him to escape and even punish certain gank setup attempts. The wide arc on most of his attacks also help in team fights, especially when target swapping his unblockable side heavies.

The primary reason he is mediocre in 1v1s is because everything he does is reactable and he doesn't have an opener. His defence is however better than most because of Sifu.

[Okt0g00N]

JJ is better at anti-ganking than most heroes because he has access to a 360 degree unblockable zone from a parry as well as being able to extend his i-frames after a dodge by using Sifu poise which allows him to escape and even punish certain gank setup attempts. The wide arc on most of his attacks also help in team fights, especially when target swapping his unblockable side heavies.

The primary reason he is mediocre in 1v1s is because everything he does is reactable and he doesn't have an opener. His defence is however better than most because of Sifu.

So alright, he is really good because he can sifu out of combos, which i assume are pretty hard to pull of when an enemy is constantly attacking you.
And because of his nature of hitting everything infront of him.

Alright thanks for the feedback, ill be looking at for a time and make a post about rework hopefully bringing the 2 extremities closer