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[Cural42]

I really hope you are f2p. Because my highest account is level 20 and I end in the 7500 bracket every season, ever since mid level 19 and I have spent maybe $100 between my 3 accounts ever. (Other account is 19 highest bracket being 7100 and my last is level 18 highest bracket being about 6800) I am not bragging, I just really think you may need to work on your deck a bit..

Yes, I am 100% FTP. I have gained a lot of experience from donations, but I also have been focusing my upgrades on other cards from my main deck, in order to be competitive in Team Wars and card events. Even with the card event boosts, if the highest level common I have in a theme is 5th, or my highest rare is 4th, then the event cards can only be boosted that high. My goal is to have at least one level 6 max common and at least one level 5 max rare in each theme.

Epics and legendaries are not quite so easy to do, since I can request only one epic each week, and no legendaries, so those I pretty much have to rely on finding them in packs, but most of my epics are 3 or 4, with many sitting at 3 base with over 25 copies in my collection. Legendaries are mostly at either 2 or 3, with more at 2 than at 3.

[alois_N]

every similar complaint - . You should upload your stats screen (pvp wins, donations to everyone can decide to take your comments seriously or just laugh).
In cause you are not active good team player:
What do you want from RL - block, reduce, screw - active or better players (with epic5,4 leg4,3) to bring them down on your activity lvl? epic4, leg3?

In cause you are active player : I played with the same deck around 8K and win against player with better lvls around 8K5, then i lose to 7K5 with lower(epic4, leg3) i could do nothing whole 3 min, only watch how i slowly loosing... rotation, luck (his, mine...)

the antiderank solution based on NK lvl was one of the worse thing they made public :-D it showed more about them, like: they have no idea what is going around and proposed and made stupid solution :-D

[Mamey0]

Umm... I am at level 23, and in the 6600s right now. I would LOVE to get up into the 7200 range, but I'm not able to push past that barrier with the opponents I am facing. I would have some very angry words for anybody who decided to report me for being in the 6600s at level 23! That is such a horrible thing on which to base reporting someone for cheating.

What is your deck strength?

Most level 23 NK are running level 5 epics and 4 legendaries. You can sleep walk your way to 8k with a deck like that.

Using NK level as a general guide isn’t a bad thing because in general higher level NKs will have higher level decks to match. I’m level 21 and am 12 cards from my first level 5 epic. Level 22 NKs often have a mixed deck with 1/2 level 5 epics and the rest level 4. A level 23 usually fills out their deck with level 5 epics and level 4 legendaries. A 24/25 is using 5 epics and 4 legendaries without question.

You do level up by leveling your cards, after all. There is a correlation.

For the record, lvl 23 and 6600 is awful even for F2P. I’m mostly F2P and my highest is 7997 with level 4 epics and 3 legendaries. I first reached legendary at level 11 a half dozen seasons ago.

[Mamey0]

Yes, I am 100% FTP. I have gained a lot of experience from donations, but I also have been focusing my upgrades on other cards from my main deck, in order to be competitive in Team Wars and card events. Even with the card event boosts, if the highest level common I have in a theme is 5th, or my highest rare is 4th, then the event cards can only be boosted that high. My goal is to have at least one level 6 max common and at least one level 5 max rare in each theme.

Epics and legendaries are not quite so easy to do, since I can request only one epic each week, and no legendaries, so those I pretty much have to rely on finding them in packs, but most of my epics are 3 or 4, with many sitting at 3 base with over 25 copies in my collection. Legendaries are mostly at either 2 or 3, with more at 2 than at 3.

Look, I don’t say this to flame you. Your experience is an anomaly. Literally 90% of level 23 NKs are running level 5 epics and 4 legendaries. It isn’t even a question. It seems almost impossible to be that high of a level and have no level 6 commons, 5/6 rares or 4/5 epics. I’m F2P and level 21 and I have better cards than you based on your accounts of your deck strength. You’re doing something wrong. Period.

[camelchasers]

You had me until you started making up statistics and copy/pasting your experience onto others.

There are people in that situation, just not you apparently. Probably the minority, but who are you to tell him he's having fun in the wrong way?

[Mamey0]

I didn’t tell him he is having fun in the wrong way, I told him that he is very low and has weak cards compared to his NK level. And that’s true. Most level 23s are significantly higher on the ladder than 6600.

[Cural42]

What is your deck strength?

Most level 23 NK are running level 5 epics and 4 legendaries. You can sleep walk your way to 8k with a deck like that.

My main deck has all level 4 for epics, 5 for rares (except one at 6), 6 for commons. I have 2/3 for legendary. Of the 3 legendaries in my deck, 2 are level 3, the other is at 3/4 copies. I have 2 commons, 3 rares, and 4 epics making up the other 9 slots.

Using NK level as a general guide isn’t a bad thing because in general higher level NKs will have higher level decks to match. I’m level 21 and am 12 cards from my first level 5 epic. Level 22 NKs often have a mixed deck with 1/2 level 5 epics and the rest level 4. A level 23 usually fills out their deck with level 5 epics and level 4 legendaries. A 24/25 is using 5 epics and 4 legendaries without question.

You do level up by leveling your cards, after all. There is a correlation.

You say it isn't a bad thing based on generalizations. But here's the problem with generalizations; they take into account only part of the population, discriminating against the rest. Much better to use deck strength instead of a level-based generalization to decide who is deranking and who is not.

You were lucky with getting a lot of good cards. Perhaps you spent more time on ladder play through the week instead of just collecting one or two PVP packs for the day and nothing else. I don't have the time to play to locker limit every day. I'm still 23 copies away from my first level 5 epic. The next closest of the ones in my deck is slightly over 50.

Yes, leveling cards gives you experience, but I don't level just my main deck. I'm constantly leveling other stuff, so I can be more versatile for TW and card events.

For the record, lvl 23 and 6600 is awful even for F2P. I’m mostly F2P and my highest is 7997 with level 4 epics and 3 legendaries. I first reached legendary at level 11 a half dozen seasons ago.

Well I'm glad I managed to find the authority on what is good and what is awful for progress on ladder. Your experience is not the same as everybody else's. Each person experiences the game differently, sets different priorities, has different luck with RNG, etc.

And just because I'm in 6600s now does not mean that is my highest. We just recently had a season reset. My highest SR last season was 7446. I have broken 7000 the last two seasons, and I'm sure it'll happen in another couple of weeks again.

Look, I don’t say this to flame you. Your experience is an anomaly. Literally 90% of level 23 NKs are running level 5 epics and 4 legendaries. It isn’t even a question.

Curious where you get these stats from. 90% sounds like a lot, so I would love to see your source for these numbers.

It seems almost impossible to be that high of a level and have no level 6 commons, 5/6 rares or 4/5 epics.

I have two level 6 commons, one of which is just over 100 cards away from becoming level 7. I have one level 6 rare, and multiple level 5 rares. About half of my epics are level 4, with several more of my level 3 epics sitting at over 25 copies. Most opponents I face at the rank where I am tend to run 3/4/5/6 levels, with occasional outliers.

I’m F2P and level 21 and I have better cards than you based on your accounts of your deck strength. You’re doing something wrong. Period.

I didn't realize Ubisoft annointed you the authority on who's having fun the right way and who's having fun the wrong way! Please, tell me, how do I need to alter the way I have fun to avoid continuing to violate the rules of how to have fun? I had no idea I was playing this game the wrong way this whole time!!

[Mamey0]

Look, you’re taking this personally and it isn’t meant in that way. You previously said you were a 6600 rated player. Now you’re saying you’re 7000-7400ish. That’s a bit more believable especially if you’re still 3/4/5/6 like I am at lvl 21.

But when I was complaining about level 23 NKs at 7200 ranking - those guys are running level 5 epics and 4 legendaries. Playing in the mid to high 7k bracket (getting over 7900 in the last three seasons and usually over 7500 throughout the last several seasons) I almost exclusively play against higher level NKs with level 5 epics and oftentimes level 4 legendaries. 7500-8000 ranking is full of these players. So when I see a player with a deck that is easily strong enough to get 8k+ and they’re sitting at 7200 ranking, I feel experienced enough to be able to confidently say that they’re a deranker. Because, as I said before, they could sleepwalk their way to 8k with their deck and NK strength.

And I still stand by my previous statement that NK level is generally a good indicator of overall deck strength on it’s face because you’re more likely to have stronger cards with a higher level just by virtue of leveling up cards because you gain exp from leveling cards. In general, a 23 is going to have 5 epics. They’re going to have at least one or two level 4 legendaries. I’m 21 and I have two legendaries at 6/8 and two more at 4/8. I would be surprised if I hit 23 and they’re still level 3. I would also be surprised if I hit 23 and I don’t have several level 5 epics.

And for the last few months now I log on to do my pvp pack 1-2 times a day and play my team war and that’s it. Because I can’t stand the ladder. It’s toxic with all of the derankers. And that’s the whole point on this thread.

[camelchasers]

But when I was complaining about level 23 NKs at 7200 ranking - those guys are running level 5 epics and 4 legendaries.

And I still stand by my previous statement that NK level is generally a good indicator of overall deck strength

These two statements are contradictory, and explain why you're getting the feedback that NK level isn't a good measure. The two variables (NK level and deck strength) don't necessarily match, and using level alone to complain about players (or even worse, drive in-game penalties!!!) is a really bad idea.

Just go by card level and avoid the risk of falsely accusing people.

[Mamey0]

Those statements are not contradictory. MOST level 23 NKs at this stage of the game have level 5 epics and at least a couple level 4 legendaries. They aren’t outliers. It’s completely fair to say that a high level NK is more likely to have higher level cards because it’s true. If I had access to the statistics it would be even easier to prove this point. Or you can go play some games at 7500-8k or so and almost every match you play will be against 23-24 NKs running 5 epics and 4 legendaries.