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"It isnt about winning"
There's the problem. You play chess to either learn to get better, or to win. It is the same with any game with competition.
UK, when compared to certain nations (epically US with their Armored Proto AA from AA base), the British are forced to do certain things that for other nations are more effective in both price and efficiency. For example, with Germany, if the enemy has some tanks, a Tiger or a few can repel them, without having to build a AT base, research jagdpanthers, and produce those. On the other hand, the British has to get AT over tanks, as their tanks won't hold and are not price effective against other tanks. The price to research fireflys is not exactly cheap when you compare it to the price of a tiger's research.
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You want to use britain, learn to win with it.Originally posted by GenDuck:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alcarin21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GenDuck:
So basically its mainly Brits that are moaning about being underpowered. But we want to use Britain. As its would feel like we are betraying our country if we didnt lol. But its boring when your only real viable option is planes.
I know a player i keep in high value and his name is Tigga and he played me 1v1 as UK, i was being Germany, he beated me without much problems i would say.
Its even historically correct, British always used planes in WW2. If they would give them some imba tank people would cry that British never had imba ground divisions.
Its historically correct, its fun challanging to play, it feels good when you win.
You dont like that style? Dont play then.
I agree only ground recon needs decreased cost. Everything else is fine. I beated alot of noob UK players, but also great UK player beated me, he just knew how to play that was the difference
I agree though, some nations like UK take ALOT more skill to play them on the same lvl as others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It isnt about winning, Its about options. About being able to try different strats having that option off not having to always have an airbase. If your in a tank driving mood. For the majority off players you can try at the start off a battle concentrate on ground but with all the tactical skill in the world UK ground is simply outclassed and in most cases at some point you will realise if you dont start spamming air quickly you wont win. UK is to one dimensional. Winning isnt hard using the UK at all. But to win you have to use air all the time. and not just the odd airfield or two but to counter opposing air and AA and FB to attack ground targets ill end up with 3 or maybe 4 airfields. Then what your doing is just spamming the air. Maybe im to out off the loop. But to me a strat game and strategy isnt just about rushing with one type off unit. It may work but then whats the point off playing. Whenever i use any other faction you have a flexability to try different strategys with different units and if its not working to well its not so hard to regroup reinforce and try something new. Whereas if you do that with UK what can you do? fall back on air again and woohooo you won the game but it wasnt fun. You can try and build more ground units but whilst your doing that then getting their deployment right your opponent is at your base just taken them out as they exit the factory. Using UK air is a hollow victory their isnt no strategy involved. Build your planes and send them in the direction off the enemy base and repeat every 30 seconds untill enemy is destroyed. Job done. and having to keep repeating that for the length off the game is annoying and boring.
As for the UK always using air power during WW2? You having me on? But then Germany always used Aircraft. You may off heard off their main ground attack aircraft. Pretty famous call Stuka? Oh and the Americans wouldnt even think about getting ready for battle until they carpet bombed every rock a German may have been hiding behind. Oh i hear Russia used the odd plane or two. THink they built more planes than America and Britain combined. Ofcourse we used air power its a great assett in support your ground units. But just that support the ground. Look at modern day USAF all that power it has it could destroy the world. But in war its primary role is still to support the ground. Becaue airpower cant win a war unless your planning on nuking everything for total destruction. The Germans pretty much destroyed large chunks off London did it acheive its goal in making the Brits want to surrendor. Even though they managed to kill over 500000 civilians men women and children. Did the allies get Germany after 10 times that number were killed when the allies did totally destory German cities. Infact in both cases om Britain and Germany it had the opposite effect and made people more determined to not give in. So you say this game is historically accurate. No chance. So because it isnt and made further innacurate by the inclusion off France and their fantasy weapons they hid from the Germans during the occupation. And that is why their has to be more off an all round balance. Each faction will still have strengths and weakness in certain areas as with the other factions the balance is about right. All UK is ground being adjusted by making the Churchill available from 1942 as history did. And Putting the Black prince in proto in its place. If that balance then makes the UK to strong with its Air aswell. Then a few small adjustments to weaken UK planes will bring balance to the Force. thats it. Then the UK wont be any stronger or weaker but more playable </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You dont see french crying they cant use their air power ONLY to win, just like others.
live with it.
You're better in something and worse in something else. Its like that for every nation.
I cant start airfield with french and i dont come here making tons of posts how underpowered french are.
Deal with it, thats how it is, if youre in a tank mood play Germany, if youre in air mood play UK, if you like bunkering play french,
If we are completley honest though there is usually the best start for each nation in most 1v1 cases, and a good player predicts it.
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Well honestly if your simply sending the plane to the base for it to autotarget randomly then your enemy is doing something wrong as planes need huge micro to not get shot down and to be as effective as possible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by AverageSoldier:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GenDuck:
Build your planes and send them in the direction off the enemy base and repeat every 30 seconds untill enemy is destroyed. Job done. and having to keep repeating that for the length off the game is annoying and boring.
Obviously. I was just referring to the fact micro or not your generally just repeating the same thing over and over. And as you say quite abit off micro is needed. That creates the other problem for the UK if you have asperations off a ground force. You need to build everybase maybe get away without a barracks. Then youve got to pay loads in research whilst your trying to build replacement aircraft. Then your ground untis making sure you have x to support y who needs z before you can advance. ok i can now pretty much do it blind folded if my sole purpose is to win and thats all that matters but thats using the same strategy over and over. And ive logged untoid hours playing,
Because as much as im going on like a broken record. I love playing the UK as trying to play about with different strats and units. Is even a challenge against the AI at times. Ive still not found a full proof strategy for UK unless you have air support. Generally i find when both sides are engaged in a major engagement if they managed to take out one or two off your units, If you havnt got units there ready to fill the gap. your lines collapse within a blink off an eye. Esp if they use the no retreat ruse they just roll over you. Then you cant just build units and send them to try and slow them down you still have to send them in groups to stand a chance. off buying enough time to get your units built and organised. Whereas if ive had a similier problem when im Germany or Russia and France. you only need a few heavy tanks to buy the time you need. But with all the other factions ive never had that problem. Even when using italy with the speed and numbers off tanks you can get into action their numbers will hold the line. and with the 90mm picking off enemy heavys i manage to hold and repel or if theve not reinforced their loses you are free to advance.
As im always trying to find ways off making British armour useful. When i see the scores at the end always have AT with a few thousand art with a respectable score. My armour just a couple off hundred points and normally alot more loses. I even when able get tanks to destroy enemy buildings just so their scores look better lol.
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You want to use britain, learn to win with it.Originally posted by Alcarin21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GenDuck:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alcarin21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GenDuck:
So basically its mainly Brits that are moaning about being underpowered. But we want to use Britain. As its would feel like we are betraying our country if we didnt lol. But its boring when your only real viable option is planes.
I know a player i keep in high value and his name is Tigga and he played me 1v1 as UK, i was being Germany, he beated me without much problems i would say.
Its even historically correct, British always used planes in WW2. If they would give them some imba tank people would cry that British never had imba ground divisions.
Its historically correct, its fun challanging to play, it feels good when you win.
You dont like that style? Dont play then.
I agree only ground recon needs decreased cost. Everything else is fine. I beated alot of noob UK players, but also great UK player beated me, he just knew how to play that was the difference
I agree though, some nations like UK take ALOT more skill to play them on the same lvl as others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It isnt about winning, Its about options. About being able to try different strats having that option off not having to always have an airbase. If your in a tank driving mood. For the majority off players you can try at the start off a battle concentrate on ground but with all the tactical skill in the world UK ground is simply outclassed and in most cases at some point you will realise if you dont start spamming air quickly you wont win. UK is to one dimensional. Winning isnt hard using the UK at all. But to win you have to use air all the time. and not just the odd airfield or two but to counter opposing air and AA and FB to attack ground targets ill end up with 3 or maybe 4 airfields. Then what your doing is just spamming the air. Maybe im to out off the loop. But to me a strat game and strategy isnt just about rushing with one type off unit. It may work but then whats the point off playing. Whenever i use any other faction you have a flexability to try different strategys with different units and if its not working to well its not so hard to regroup reinforce and try something new. Whereas if you do that with UK what can you do? fall back on air again and woohooo you won the game but it wasnt fun. You can try and build more ground units but whilst your doing that then getting their deployment right your opponent is at your base just taken them out as they exit the factory. Using UK air is a hollow victory their isnt no strategy involved. Build your planes and send them in the direction off the enemy base and repeat every 30 seconds untill enemy is destroyed. Job done. and having to keep repeating that for the length off the game is annoying and boring.
As for the UK always using air power during WW2? You having me on? But then Germany always used Aircraft. You may off heard off their main ground attack aircraft. Pretty famous call Stuka? Oh and the Americans wouldnt even think about getting ready for battle until they carpet bombed every rock a German may have been hiding behind. Oh i hear Russia used the odd plane or two. THink they built more planes than America and Britain combined. Ofcourse we used air power its a great assett in support your ground units. But just that support the ground. Look at modern day USAF all that power it has it could destroy the world. But in war its primary role is still to support the ground. Becaue airpower cant win a war unless your planning on nuking everything for total destruction. The Germans pretty much destroyed large chunks off London did it acheive its goal in making the Brits want to surrendor. Even though they managed to kill over 500000 civilians men women and children. Did the allies get Germany after 10 times that number were killed when the allies did totally destory German cities. Infact in both cases om Britain and Germany it had the opposite effect and made people more determined to not give in. So you say this game is historically accurate. No chance. So because it isnt and made further innacurate by the inclusion off France and their fantasy weapons they hid from the Germans during the occupation. And that is why their has to be more off an all round balance. Each faction will still have strengths and weakness in certain areas as with the other factions the balance is about right. All UK is ground being adjusted by making the Churchill available from 1942 as history did. And Putting the Black prince in proto in its place. If that balance then makes the UK to strong with its Air aswell. Then a few small adjustments to weaken UK planes will bring balance to the Force. thats it. Then the UK wont be any stronger or weaker but more playable </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You dont see french crying they cant use their air power ONLY to win, just like others.
live with it.
You're better in something and worse in something else. Its like that for every nation.
I cant start airfield with french and i dont come here making tons of posts how underpowered french are.
Deal with it, thats how it is, if youre in a tank mood play Germany, if youre in air mood play UK, if you like bunkering play french,
If we are completley honest though there is usually the best start for each nation in most 1v1 cases, and a good player predicts it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well maybe because France dont need strong air. As yes they are weaker in the air than the UK. but ive never had to many problems using France as their Fighters and FB are fairly well balanced with the other Factions. Still not as strong as them but capable off taking the sky. Then France can use AA bunkers to suplement the camels around your base so it reduces the risk off having your based blown to pieces. and that makes France plenty capable off holding the enemy airforces until youve built the super heavy with AA and a few off them together makes it hard work for the enemy to destroy them esp if your also keeping a presence in the air. So France maybe be weak in the air but only up to a point and only real threat is the UK. Used with a tad off skill you shouldnt have to much off a problem and the Guppy does its job.
However with UK ground they suffer a big disavantage to every faction. except in 39. This is what im sayin about balance. all other factions wiht both ground and air are balanced to each other where their strengths and weaknesses arnt so noticeable. and doesnt take your abilty to try different approaches. etc... The UK is handicapped by having to make sure it gets control off the skies first.
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Here's my pro-strat that has blown people's minds time and time again.
How to kill AA as Britain:
- Take your planes
- Put them in the air
- Kill AA with planes
It's especially effective against most US players because they think their M16s are invincible and that you can never use planes ever again. What's even better is when they upgrade to M19s and you can start sacrificing Hurricanes to kill them.
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How would an occupied country field an air force? It wouldn't. So of course anything the french could scrap together would be bordering on pathetic and isnt the Skytrain (French para plane) american? Point is UK could have faught on the ground as well as in the air and they deserve some fairness here. If you look at it British air isn't even the best in every aspect, so its not like that makes up for the state of ground, zero chance between two equally skilled opponents for UK to pull out anything other than a picture of London being nuked, raided by zerglings, rebuilt, and then nuked again.
Lets not forget the quirks of the french for having a crappy air force and [non existent] mobile AA, even though it was the worst flaw of any nation.
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Errr... Since when did common sense become "pro" status? Hurricanes can kill 2 M16s if they are too close and Typhoons 1 shot M19s. Hurricanes 1 shot AA and infantry that aren't moving out in the open provided the bomb hits but the argument in this thread is primarily about ground :POriginally posted by ControlVolume:
Here's my pro-strat that has blown people's minds time and time again.
How to kill AA as Britain:
- Take your planes
- Put them in the air
- Kill AA with planes
It's especially effective against most US players because they think their M16s are invincible and that you can never use planes ever again. What's even better is when they upgrade to M19s and you can start sacrificing Hurricanes to kill them.
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Errr... Since when did common sense become "pro" status? Hurricanes can kill 2 M16s if they are too close and Typhoons 1 shot M19s. Hurricanes 1 shot AA and infantry that aren't moving out in the open provided the bomb hits but the argument in this thread is primarily about ground :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Covert-141:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ControlVolume:
Here's my pro-strat that has blown people's minds time and time again.
How to kill AA as Britain:
- Take your planes
- Put them in the air
- Kill AA with planes
It's especially effective against most US players because they think their M16s are invincible and that you can never use planes ever again. What's even better is when they upgrade to M19s and you can start sacrificing Hurricanes to kill them.
Protip: Hurricanes 1 shot M19s. A US player upgrading to M19s is pretty much a free ticket for a UK player to mercilessly molest everything the US player owns.
And apparently it isn't common sense because I've grounded entire fleets of aircraft with like 3-4 AA guns just because the enemy was too afraid to do anything with them.
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that is BIG laughable statement you provided.Originally posted by GenDuck:
Well maybe because France dont need strong air. As yes they are weaker in the air than the UK. but ive never had to many problems using France as their Fighters and FB are fairly well balanced with the other Factions. Still not as strong as them but capable off taking the sky. Then France can use AA bunkers to suplement the camels around your base so it reduces the risk off having your based blown to pieces. and that makes France plenty capable off holding the enemy airforces until youve built the super heavy with AA and a few off them together makes it hard work for the enemy to destroy them esp if your also keeping a presence in the air. So France maybe be weak in the air but only up to a point and only real threat is the UK. Used with a tad off skill you shouldnt have to much off a problem and the Guppy does its job.
However with UK ground they suffer a big disavantage to every faction. except in 39. This is what im sayin about balance. all other factions wiht both ground and air are balanced to each other where their strengths and weaknesses arnt so noticeable. and doesnt take your abilty to try different approaches. etc... The UK is handicapped by having to make sure it gets control off the skies first.
I dare you to go play 1v1 with French vs Tigga, really. He plays UK, he knows how to micro it, he knows its advantages.
Air supperiority > every other supperiority in this game, atleast if its not unlimited time and admin spam untill you have 100+ units, and even then Air damages you really alot.
And if you go defensive as french vs UK, he will harras your depots, which you will have to protect all the time, and once you finally get those SLOW FCMs out he will have fireflies if he knows how to play, fireflies + typhoons vs your camels and FCMs = BIG GRAVEYARD.
Playing noob UK players as french does not count, play those who CAN play.
Or try go into air war as French vs UK, youd loose terribly.
As I said before, I only understand 1 request. That is lowered recon price and maye lowered aror base price aswell considering its pretty useless.
Potentionally maybe the damage of prototype heavy tank should be increased to Tigers range, and maybe skinks price reduced to 40$ but that is MAX.
Its true that it is very predictable that UK will use AIR, but you know what, once I lost a 2v2 game vs UK and Germany (we were USA and Ita) because USA went anti air and UK decided to go ground. But thats 2v2 = different story.
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The skill of one player using a faction is irrelevant. What matters is that players of roughly equal skill should have a roughly chance of winning no matter what faction they use.
French air weakness and UK ground weakness are not comparable for a very important reason. Air units cannot take and hold ground. France gets good 'backbone' units such as the SAU40 whereas the UK has none.
You admit that it is fairly predictable that the UK will go air. However, keeping your battle plans secret is very important in RUSE so knowing right away your enemies' most likely strategy is a large advantage.
