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Sorry about that... Proof that im crazy lol did all that using ps3 controller and couldnt se what i was typing because the onscreen keyboared was covering the txt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by GenDuck:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by angus725:
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Holy wall of text!
Heh, care to give me a tl;dr explanation of that? It's almost as bad as graphing, as if you stare at it too long, it makes you slightly dizzy >.>
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well i am no UK expert, but i tried them out for fun a few times. first of all UK is a fun faction to play.
i have little to no 1v1 experiance with them, so i might be off point.
there seem to be 2 concerns about UK. tanks and recon. i cant agree with both of them. UK anto tank base costs 30$ making it the cheapest in the game (together with france). together with hurricane and later typhoon that is a extremely strong anti tank compartment.
to defend inf you have the extremely useful vickers.
so i dont see the necessity of good tanks. what for?
dont forget UK has good arty and aa as well.
from my point of view UK is just fine.
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You are right. The problem is the fact that UK air is strong you are in general bound into only using air. Tactically your options are limited an opponent your playing against wlll know that. So not only are your options limited your opponent knows the only way the UK player can win is in the air and can prepare for it. Unless they have the strat sense off a dead donkey. But options are open for the other factions even though their air maybe weaker, iys still workable. and doesnt take the planning and micro the UK player has to put in. You have to think UK ground units need anti tank because UK tanks are no match with other factions on their own. However Anti cnt defend its self against infantry so you have to make sure they have the right support. Where as the other factions for instance Germany can pretty much build a bunch off Tigers with a few different units to suppliment them. then you just group them together and begin your advance. whilst their doing that the only thing they need to do if contesting the air is just keep building fighters or fb to keep UK planes sy bare in mind after every attack you have to return to base repair reload etc. and as UK player you have to keep fighting the air to stand the best chance off winning. But having to make sure youve got enough tanks to soak up enemy fire and cover your AT from infantry and you have to always keep it balance if the tanks lose AT support you may aswell say goodbye to your tanks and visa versa. If the other fations lost their AT support Their armour is still capable off fighting and winning or at the very least holding the line.Originally posted by wu-scherge:
well i am no UK expert, but i tried them out for fun a few times. first of all UK is a fun faction to play.
i have little to no 1v1 experiance with them, so i might be off point.
there seem to be 2 concerns about UK. tanks and recon. i cant agree with both of them. UK anto tank base costs 30$ making it the cheapest in the game (together with france). together with hurricane and later typhoon that is a extremely strong anti tank compartment.
to defend inf you have the extremely useful vickers.
so i dont see the necessity of good tanks. what for?
dont forget UK has good arty and aa as well.
from my point of view UK is just fine.
But as ive said before it doesnt actually bother me, well infact it wouldnt if the Devs hadnt blatantly imo over power the French units so they are balanced to other factions. so they have an all round capabilty and options. I have nothing against the devs doing that in the interests off gameplay etc. But if they are willing to change the French units as much as they have in comparison to what historically they did have. Then all factions have to be given the same inventive sculpting. So which ever Faction you decide to be you can change your strat to your mood. Be it a joint force or mainly ground or if you want to use air power. That to me is balance.
The easy option is for me and others to use another faction. But we are all always compelled to use our own nation if the option is open.
So basically its mainly Brits that are moaning about being underpowered. But we want to use Britain. As its would feel like we are betraying our country if we didnt lol. But its boring when your only real viable option is planes. We arnt moaning so mucaboutbeing underpowered its the fact weaker ground units severely dictate how you play if you want hope of winning. Russia, Germany and America are pretty much spot on. I would slightly question how the Italians can field so many tanks as quick and cheaply as they are but that ables them to be a force on the ground and decent in the air. So in terms off balance its fair. France the devs threw away the history books and made them how it suited them for balance. Then the UK is the only faction that doesnt get advance tech early, but not only that the UK has to wait to get equipment for over the top prices that historically they were using by 1942. But for some odd reason wegot to wait until 45 and then we still have to build a proto base to get them.
Every faction can hold its own on the ground and in the air. With varitions off success. All the players that generally use UK just want the same option. Even if it ment we lose some air power to keep it balanced.
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You want to use britain, learn to win with it.Originally posted by GenDuck:
So basically its mainly Brits that are moaning about being underpowered. But we want to use Britain. As its would feel like we are betraying our country if we didnt lol. But its boring when your only real viable option is planes.
I know a player i keep in high value and his name is Tigga and he played me 1v1 as UK, i was being Germany, he beated me without much problems i would say.
Its even historically correct, British always used planes in WW2. If they would give them some imba tank people would cry that British never had imba ground divisions.
Its historically correct, its fun challanging to play, it feels good when you win.
You dont like that style? Dont play then.
I agree only ground recon needs decreased cost. Everything else is fine. I beated alot of noob UK players, but also great UK player beated me, he just knew how to play that was the difference
I agree though, some nations like UK take ALOT more skill to play them on the same lvl as others.
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You mean France/Italy/GB take more skill to beat Germ/USSR/USA. Germ in 1v1 isn't too great, that being the one exception.
Big Three versus the Little Three :\
Also the game isn't entirely historically correct. Russian's don't rout, what kind of **** is that? Panzer IV's would destroy any other medium allied tank, France wouldn't have Proto AA tanks, ect. And the UK did have capable ground tanks later on in the War (Comet, Valentine VII, Crusader) But a faction should have OPTIONS, a choice. I've played around 500 games and seen UK ground 4 times, all of which I easily beat knowing the only strategy they could use (Vickers/Fireflies/Sextons) Out of those 500 games half the time there are UK players in them, and all those other times... predictably they went air. Lets also not forget that coordinated Air-Ground turns a game about macro into a hell of alot of micro. France/USA/Germany all have capable heavy tanks, USSR if you use the IS-2s right due to shorter range. That leaves Italy being in the same seat as UK, but they have assault guns that counter out lightly armored TD and anti tank, M15s take out infantry and early game tanks meaning they don't need a barracks to provide anti infantry. Can cover all the ground they need to with Armor Base - Arty/AA Base - Anti Tank Base. They only really even need Anti Tank if the opponent can get a heavy or super heavy tank. UK is literally forced to put down a useless armor base for a single unit (which needs to be upgraded to even be useful)
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Originally posted by wu-scherge:
well i am no UK expert, but i tried them out for fun a few times. first of all UK is a fun faction to play.
i have little to no 1v1 experiance with them, so i might be off point.
there seem to be 2 concerns about UK. tanks and recon. i cant agree with both of them. UK anti tank base costs 30$ making it the cheapest in the game (together with france). together with hurricane and later typhoon that is a extremely strong anti tank compartment. the firefly is a GOD! combined with matildas or churchills is A WALL.
those who say UK ground suck, dont play it right.
to defend inf you have the extremely useful vickers.
so i dont see the necessity of good tanks. what for?
dont forget UK has good arty and aa as well.
from my point of view UK is just fine.
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</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by wu-scherge:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wu-scherge:
well i am no UK expert, but i tried them out for fun a few times. first of all UK is a fun faction to play.
i have little to no 1v1 experiance with them, so i might be off point.
there seem to be 2 concerns about UK. tanks and recon. i cant agree with both of them. UK anti tank base costs 30$ making it the cheapest in the game (together with france). together with hurricane and later typhoon that is a extremely strong anti tank compartment. the firefly is a GOD! combined with matildas or churchills is A WALL.
those who say UK ground suck, dont play it right.
to defend inf you have the extremely useful vickers.
so i dont see the necessity of good tanks. what for?
dont forget UK has good arty and aa as well.
from my point of view UK is just fine.
We read your post, would you like to try that against me? Seriously. To field a firefly is a one hell of a feat against anyone worth playing. Cromwells are inferior to any other nation's equivalent and Matildas slow down Fireflies. Proper micro you aim for the fireflies and the Matildas sit there doing NOTHING with their crap lvl 1 gun and 250 range. Have already mentioned Vickers, but this means you have to micro your units in a situation where your opponent doesn't because you have units that can't attack the same target. Meanwhile your opponent micro free procedes to do nothing but spam, after out macroing you. They move anti tank guns instead of tanks at you (the proper thing to do) they take out your fireflies and vickers which forces you to use artillery (infantry obviously wont work the AT will be supported) and that's where everything goes downhill for UK. The artillery you now have to pump out to counter TD creates a massive gap the opponent can use to field regular old tanks and then just push forward.
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You want to use britain, learn to win with it.Originally posted by Alcarin21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GenDuck:
So basically its mainly Brits that are moaning about being underpowered. But we want to use Britain. As its would feel like we are betraying our country if we didnt lol. But its boring when your only real viable option is planes.
I know a player i keep in high value and his name is Tigga and he played me 1v1 as UK, i was being Germany, he beated me without much problems i would say.
Its even historically correct, British always used planes in WW2. If they would give them some imba tank people would cry that British never had imba ground divisions.
Its historically correct, its fun challanging to play, it feels good when you win.
You dont like that style? Dont play then.
I agree only ground recon needs decreased cost. Everything else is fine. I beated alot of noob UK players, but also great UK player beated me, he just knew how to play that was the difference
I agree though, some nations like UK take ALOT more skill to play them on the same lvl as others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It isnt about winning, Its about options. About being able to try different strats having that option off not having to always have an airbase. If your in a tank driving mood. For the majority off players you can try at the start off a battle concentrate on ground but with all the tactical skill in the world UK ground is simply outclassed and in most cases at some point you will realise if you dont start spamming air quickly you wont win. UK is to one dimensional. Winning isnt hard using the UK at all. But to win you have to use air all the time. and not just the odd airfield or two but to counter opposing air and AA and FB to attack ground targets ill end up with 3 or maybe 4 airfields. Then what your doing is just spamming the air. Maybe im to out off the loop. But to me a strat game and strategy isnt just about rushing with one type off unit. It may work but then whats the point off playing. Whenever i use any other faction you have a flexability to try different strategys with different units and if its not working to well its not so hard to regroup reinforce and try something new. Whereas if you do that with UK what can you do? fall back on air again and woohooo you won the game but it wasnt fun. You can try and build more ground units but whilst your doing that then getting their deployment right your opponent is at your base just taken them out as they exit the factory. Using UK air is a hollow victory their isnt no strategy involved. Build your planes and send them in the direction off the enemy base and repeat every 30 seconds untill enemy is destroyed. Job done. and having to keep repeating that for the length off the game is annoying and boring.
As for the UK always using air power during WW2? You having me on? But then Germany always used Aircraft. You may off heard off their main ground attack aircraft. Pretty famous call Stuka? Oh and the Americans wouldnt even think about getting ready for battle until they carpet bombed every rock a German may have been hiding behind. Oh i hear Russia used the odd plane or two. THink they built more planes than America and Britain combined. Ofcourse we used air power its a great assett in support your ground units. But just that support the ground. Look at modern day USAF all that power it has it could destroy the world. But in war its primary role is still to support the ground. Becaue airpower cant win a war unless your planning on nuking everything for total destruction. The Germans pretty much destroyed large chunks off London did it acheive its goal in making the Brits want to surrendor. Even though they managed to kill over 50000 civilians men women and children. Did the allies get Germany after 10 times that number were killed when the allies did totally destory German cities. Infact in both cases om Britain and Germany it had the opposite effect and made people more determined to not give in. So you say this game is historically accurate. No chance. So because it isnt and made further innacurate by the inclusion off France and their fantasy weapons they hid from the Germans during the occupation. And that is why their has to be more off an all round balance. Each faction will still have strengths and weakness in certain areas as with the other factions the balance is about right. All UK is ground being adjusted by making the Churchill available from 1942 as history did. And Putting the Black prince in proto in its place. If that balance then makes the UK to strong with its Air aswell. Then a few small adjustments to weaken UK planes will bring balance to the Force. thats it. Then the UK wont be any stronger or weaker but more playable
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Well honestly if your simply sending the plane to the base for it to autotarget randomly then your enemy is doing something wrong as planes need huge micro to not get shot down and to be as effective as possible.Originally posted by GenDuck:
Build your planes and send them in the direction off the enemy base and repeat every 30 seconds untill enemy is destroyed. Job done. and having to keep repeating that for the length off the game is annoying and boring.
