Can we get an explaination on why shinobi is being ignored as a hero? | Forums

[Gaser.]

https://www.lesoleil.com/actualite/p...e82d1d0721561d
3$ for 1000 friends on facebook. I sadly couldn't find the articale, but it was made public Justin Trudeau (our prime minister) had paid to have a "facebook survey" about the Transmountain Pipeline and see if it was "positive" within the population. Our journalists found out the Liberals paid to have fake votes on that survey and make it look like hte population was behind our prime minister on that subject. It's 100% information and population manipulation.

I'm sorry, but you are a fool if you dont think some posts made by Ubisoft saying overwhelmingly positive things about the game or making massive suggestion can't be done internaly by people working on the game as "surveys" within the rest of the player base. Then, they can use other "fake accounts" to keep the debate alive. It becomes even more pathetic when you check FHTracker website and the people posting those massive ideas and being super active on the forums dont even play the game. And you know what, If I was working on the game, that's exactly what I would do to get some very cheap input on the game.

If you think the public information isn't being manipulated sometimes, especially on Ubisoft's very own forums, you are the fool. You should always question every bit of information in front of you and ask yourself if that information comes from a trustworthy source. It's not "tin foil hat conspiration theory", it's living in this world of fake news (publicly acknowledged by Facebook as being a big problem) and Russians being able to manipulate the USA elections.

Never said that media doesn’t get manipulated, just saying you make some bold claims here.


You got any evidence you can show me here, accounts or something else.

I’m happy to believe you after you show me some examples in here.

[Siegfried-Z]

https://www.lesoleil.com/actualite/p...e82d1d0721561d
3$ for 1000 friends on facebook. I sadly couldn't find the articale, but it was made public Justin Trudeau (our prime minister) had paid to have a "facebook survey" about the Transmountain Pipeline and see if it was "positive" within the population. Our journalists found out the Liberals paid to have fake votes on that survey and make it look like hte population was behind our prime minister on that subject. It's 100% information and population manipulation.

I'm sorry, but you are a fool if you dont think some posts made by Ubisoft saying overwhelmingly positive things about the game or making massive suggestion can't be done internaly by people working on the game as "surveys" within the rest of the player base. Then, they can use other "fake accounts" to keep the debate alive. It becomes even more pathetic when you check FHTracker website and the people posting those massive ideas and being super active on the forums dont even play the game. And you know what, If I was working on the game, that's exactly what I would do to get some very cheap input on the game.

If you think the public information isn't being manipulated sometimes, especially on Ubisoft's very own forums, you are the fool. You should always question every bit of information in front of you and ask yourself if that information comes from a trustworthy source. It's not "tin foil hat conspiration theory", it's living in this world of fake news (publicly acknowledged by Facebook as being a big problem) and Russians being able to manipulate the USA elections.

You cant always find people FHtracker account..

Some just use another name, for exemple my name here SIEGFRIED_Z is the one of my PC account where i have only 18 reps.. not the one of my ps4 account with 230reps. So of course looking at this name you gonna see a very low activity.

Also, some people are tired of the MM in solo queue and play pvai which hide most of their activity.

And for some, they just like to discuss about the game but dont spend much Time playing it.

It doesnt mean they are fake account etc.

That being said, with no new heroe for y4s1 i really hope Shinobi is going to be one of the main focus of their balancing season.

[Siegfried-Z]

FH tracker doesnt offer correct data tho. Like I barely play Dom, and it shows that I played 200 Dom games which is not true lol

At least some are accurate, KD, kad, kpm, win ratio etc

On my profile the only wrong figure is my total amount of level

[UbiInsulin]

Us not having addressed a hero recently doesn't mean the hero is being "ignored." Any hero can be looked at, at any time.

My second guess is they used fake accounts to write "reworks" on forums just to test out the reaction from other "real" players and none of the rework received positive feedback enough, thus they are holding out on announcing Shinobi is being reworked before they find something that's good in the public opinion.

This is a new one.

[Gaser.]

Us not having addressed a hero recently doesn't mean the hero is being "ignored." Any hero can be looked at, at any time.





This is a new one.

Exactly!

[Valoredramack]

Us not having addressed a hero recently doesn't mean the hero is being "ignored." Any hero can be looked at, at any time.

Well many of us in the community have been saying for months that the Shinobi is currently trash since Patch 2.11 and the hero has only received more nerfs since that patch.

From our perspective, the Shinobi is being ignored because there has been a particularly extensive lack of acknowledgement from Ubisoft that the Shinobi is extremely under-equipped to compete effectively in the current meta and is in the most need of a rework.

In other words, the Shinobi was nerfed into the ground and has unreasonable disadvantages right now. There are plenty of posts throughout these forums that have been trying to bring attention to the fact that the Shinobi is currently unplayable, but there has been no progress on this issue at all.

[UbiInsulin]

Well many of us in the community have been saying for months that the Shinobi is currently trash since Patch 2.11 and the hero has only received more nerfs since that patch.

From our perspective, the Shinobi is being ignored because there has been a particularly extensive lack of acknowledgement from Ubisoft that the Shinobi is extremely under-equipped to compete effectively in the current meta and is in the most need of a rework.

In other words, the Shinobi was nerfed into the ground and has unreasonable disadvantages right now. There are plenty of posts throughout these forums that have been trying to bring attention to the fact that the Shinobi is currently unplayable, but there has been no progress on this issue at all.

We've been sure to raise these concerns with the team. At this time, I don't have any firmer news to give you.

[ballon009]

@Ubilnsulin @Cawatrooper

If you guys do not want to fix the games heroes. Can we at least have the mod tools then for anvil? We can fix it our selves. I do not want to wait 7 years before a rework for my fav heroes. Thanks. It is pointless to post here.

Only at 340 posts and even I see the mods, admins and the devs completely ignore what we say. May do it our selves

[Siegfried-Z]

Not Unplayable at all. He is still strong depending on how you play his overtuned parry punishes and strong ganking potential is still there but he needs a full rework

At decent level he is unplayable unless you play in a team and spend all your time fishing for range GB.

I think you should play a bit of Shinobi in order to understand the things you are saying about his ganking potential are wrong.

Range GB has a very tight timing to land now with all the recovery reduction we had overall and it feed ton of revenge on a miss. Even when you catch someone with it its gonna be interupted by an ally or an external hit most of Times and in the rare best scenario Shino range GB now allow only 1 external heavy... again most people gonna hit before you apply all bleed.

Their are far better ganker in the game than Shinobi atm.

I also disagree with people saying his dmg profile is overtuned.
24 dmg light = but can easly offer a light parry due to the input timing if the 1st one miss
40dmg light parry = high but many others heros have the same

Tbh only his deflect and heavy parry are insane. But it doesnt even balance his lack of offense AND defense (because even his defense is nothing anymore).

I would also add Shino has no real wallsplat or oos punish compare to most others.

So, if Shino would have a usefull kit then yes his dmg would be too high.. but in his current state its the only thing which save him from being a minion with his 4th feat.

[We.the.North]

At decent level he is unplayable unless you play in a team and spend all your time fishing for range GB.

Exactly.

Other heroes are way better than Shinobi at everything else, but a good shinobi who knows all the recovery frames of all heroes can actually still be quite deadly with the Shinobi in 4v4 ; but only as a ganking hero. If the rest of the team underperforms and the Shinobi can't gank, then the Shinobi can't carry the team unlike some other heroes

But that's actually the role I'm willing to play for my team (In League of Legends, I play jungler). I like that the Shinobi has this identity and I wish Ubisoft, in his hopefully soon rework, will keep this identity and give Shinobi better offensive tools both for 1v1 and XvX to be able to gank fastest and for the love of god feed less revenge. A single ranged GB within a gank procs the 2v1 revenge gain bonus and often ends up just procing the opponent revenge. You want to gank fast and you end up having to wait for a revenge popped to finish ... that's actually the opposite of what the Shinobi is trying to do.