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    So builds are go red or go home?

    BEcause I think I made the mistake of thinking you could make yourself even remotely tough. I went for mostly blues, talents like Patience and Unbreakable, as well as things like Gila Guards +5% armor, as well as Badgers 15% armor on kill and stuff. I also use the shield drone thing. In total I have like 14 or 15 blues, 290k armor, 112k health and its all for nothing, I die in like 3 hits. The first set of armor and 50-75% of my health in just a quick burst. Then Unbreakable, then another burst and down goes that. Its like speccing for armor, health and defenses is a complete waste of time. I also use the armor chem launcher. In Normal its actually kinda tough, but in hard and challenging? Yeah, its a joke.
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    Offence is the best Defence....IMO
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    Originally Posted by KnightGhostbear Go to original post
    BEcause I think I made the mistake of thinking you could make yourself even remotely tough. I went for mostly blues, talents like Patience and Unbreakable, as well as things like Gila Guards +5% armor, as well as Badgers 15% armor on kill and stuff. I also use the shield drone thing. In total I have like 14 or 15 blues, 290k armor, 112k health and its all for nothing, I die in like 3 hits. The first set of armor and 50-75% of my health in just a quick burst. Then Unbreakable, then another burst and down goes that. Its like speccing for armor, health and defenses is a complete waste of time. I also use the armor chem launcher. In Normal its actually kinda tough, but in hard and challenging? Yeah, its a joke.
    You should have way more than 290k armor with that many blues. Gotta get better armor rolls, if you can timetravel you can go back a few months and clan hop and get all the god roll ones but other than that seeing as how they dont drop in the real game you will probably have to settle for about 50-60% max rolls on them which should still bring you over 400-450k. Anything under 400k and you will still feel quite soft.
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    At 290 you do get dropped rather quickly, especially in pvp. But now the other thread you made makes sense as to why you're saying the minigun is useless. You just need more armor. Remember that with percentage, bigger numbers means bigger returns.

    For armor, there is Gila, Overlord, and True Patriot. I recommend true patriot and Gila unless you're using rifles, or you can do all 3.
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    Originally Posted by moesuvious Go to original post
    You should have way more than 290k armor with that many blues. Gotta get better armor rolls, if you can timetravel you can go back a few months and clan hop and get all the god roll ones but other than that seeing as how they dont drop in the real game you will probably have to settle for about 50-60% max rolls on them which should still bring you over 400-450k. Anything under 400k and you will still feel quite soft.
    LOL, yeah, its why the more I play with this game, the more I absolutely LOATHE the build system. I had my preconceived notions about it, but after playing with it, yeah, I can 100% confirm, i HATE this purely RNG BS. I thought I should have better armor with 15 blues, but yeah, I dont get any say in the matter. Its a matter of praying to RNG and hoping my armor comes with everything I want, since we cant alter it in any meaningful way.....

    I have looted some 3000 items and of that, maybe 50 have been of ANY use. I HAVE a 29,000 armor roll on another vest. I HAVE 13.5% total armor roll on another backpack, I HAVE 20,000 health and GIANT armor rolls and health rolls, but I cant COMBINE them on anything since I ALSO have to make sure my gear comes with the talents I want.

    The more I sit and play with this build system the more I keep running into the same absolutely infuriating roadblocks. It has great armor rolls, and proper mod slots, but no talent, plus its infested with a yellow roll. It has the proper mod slots and even has the proper talent, but then it doesnt have **** for stat rolls, you know, +SMG dmg, + skill power +AR dmg on a single piece.....USELESS......

    Its absolute trash.......
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    Originally Posted by KnightGhostbear Go to original post
    LOL, yeah, its why the more I play with this game, the more I absolutely LOATHE the build system. I had my preconceived notions about it, but after playing with it, yeah, I can 100% confirm, i HATE this purely RNG BS. I thought I should have better armor with 15 blues, but yeah, I dont get any say in the matter. Its a matter of praying to RNG and hoping my armor comes with everything I want, since we cant alter it in any meaningful way.....

    I have looted some 3000 items and of that, maybe 50 have been of ANY use. I HAVE a 29,000 armor roll on another vest. I HAVE 13.5% total armor roll on another backpack, I HAVE 20,000 health and GIANT armor rolls and health rolls, but I cant COMBINE them on anything since I ALSO have to make sure my gear comes with the talents I want.

    The more I sit and play with this build system the more I keep running into the same absolutely infuriating roadblocks. It has great armor rolls, and proper mod slots, but no talent, plus its infested with a yellow roll. It has the proper mod slots and even has the proper talent, but then it doesnt have **** for stat rolls, you know, +SMG dmg, + skill power +AR dmg on a single piece.....USELESS......

    Its absolute trash.......
    It's not that hard man. Plan out a build, know what pieces/set pieces/talents you want, and then use your stashed donor gear to touch up your target pieces. You probably won't have a perfect build out of the gate, but with some time you could have a baller tanky build. It sounds like you're overwhelmed and frustrated, just take a breather and reevaluate what you're doing.

    I don't know what your aims are for being tanky, but if you want to be truly tanky, go a hybrid skill shield build. I can stand in front of a minigun heavy and laugh as he tries to chip my shield down, and that build has like 60k HP and 200k armor lmao.
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    Originally Posted by BioXTC Go to original post
    It's not that hard man. Plan out a build, know what pieces/set pieces/talents you want, and then use your stashed donor gear to touch up your target pieces. You probably won't have a perfect build out of the gate, but with some time you could have a baller tanky build. It sounds like you're overwhelmed and frustrated, just take a breather and reevaluate what you're doing.

    I don't know what your aims are for being tanky, but if you want to be truly tanky, go a hybrid skill shield build. I can stand in front of a minigun heavy and laugh as he tries to chip my shield down, and that build has like 60k HP and 200k armor lmao.
    I DID lol. I then keep getting pieces and keep encountering the above issues and there is nothing I can do to change it. I have been abusing the hell out of the targeted loot and after looking over 50 pieces of gear after each little expedition, I wind up just deleting everything because it simply doesnt work.

    Ive been trying to get another Petrov mask, I have had like 20 more, non of them work. I want either +Armor +Total Armor, +Health or +34% DTE that the current one has. I keep getting ones that have yellows and trash reds that dont fit my build.

    I also want the big bulky, heavy armor Petrov vest(just for the appearance mainly), but that one will apparently never work, since Petrov ALWAYS comes with 1 yellow mod slot, and always has tons of yellow attributes. Ive also been looking for a better Badger backpack, with the Unbreakable talent. Ive again, found like 20-30+ and every time, either it has a talent slot which can be rerolled to Unbreakable and trash attributes, or it has GREAT attributes and even mod slots, but no talent to reroll......Its the limit of only 1 reroll, as well as the way the item drop system works. Items ALWAYS coming a certain way, meaning they cant ever fit my build, but the brand set IS the one I want. Badger has +Armor On Kill, which IS what im trying to get. Petrov has + LMG damage whcih IS what im trying to get. I have thrown in 1 piece of Wyvern gear, though I dont recall why, and I also have 2 pieces of Gila for 5% armor and 20% Hazard protection.

    My aim for 'being tanky' is more or less a build similar to my Division 1 Nomad build, with fairly high sustain. I also realize Im going to need to improve my firepower, since that was the one thing holding my build back in Div 1. I was balancing my firearms and health around 6400, but in the end realized, that if its kills I need, then im going to need mroe firearms, and my build in Division 1 works like a charm. I switched my firearms over to 7800 and Stam only around 5300 but it was night and day. I also increased my crit chance and crit damage a fair bit, and it was glorious, my build in Div 1 is really FUN and by far my favorite character.

    I currently have 290k armor and 111k health, with Patience and Unbreakable, with around 65,000 armor on kill, plus the defense drone. My damage is kinda sad, but given how stupid limited the build system is in this game, even if I KNOW what I need to do and how to do it, I CANT unless RNG blesses me with the correct pieces with the correct mods and talents in all the correct places.......
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    This is what i use:

    Unbreakable build: https://www.divisionbuilder.com/buil...124lkqgOsRR7jp
    Berserk build: https://www.divisionbuilder.com/buil...L08221LiV84Obk

    They still need tweaking but work well, not sure about pvp as i don't go in there.
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    For almost two months, I have two pieces that are my major Armor and health foundations and the recal stat says I'm around 88% on one, and 102% on the other - that's strictly from memory at the time I'm writing this. And I have farmed THOUSANDS of pieces and not one piece to make those numbers better. disregarding any other talents or attributes those pieces may have. JUST LET ME UPGRADE my health and armor! So....either "someone" is "lying" to me on those percentages or the drop system is F'ed beyond reason.
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    I ain't saying anything, but what i will say is "Working as Intended"
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