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    Can't get much points even if I know the dance

    Hey all! I have some issues with scoring in the game. When I'm using camera I get almost all the time Megastar, but when I'm using PS move or joy con sometimes I barely can get 5 stars even if I know the dance well. I'm pro-dancer (have been dancing for 19 years), so I can repeat the dance properly without any problems but still something goes wrong... Are there any tips about using PS move/Joy con? Help me, please🙏
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    By, joy con, are you referring to Switch? If so, then if you're seeing fairly consistent scores between Switch and PS Move, it's probably not an issue with the technology (unless perhaps in both cases the sensors are positioned similarly with a partially blocked signal or an indirect location).

    The PS4 camera (and to a better extent, in my opinion and experience, Xbox Kinect) is analyzing your whole body. You can score very well if the positioning, rhythm, and coordination of your entire body are synced well with the coach. There are some subtle issues that the game is sometimes looking for that can make it challenging, but if you're consistently hitting megastars, it shows that your full-body choreography is tracking well.

    PS Move (and the Switch Joy-Con, or even a smart phone) are analyzing the motion primarily of your right hand. Various moves do detect aspects of the full-body motion to some extent, mostly indirectly, so doing the full-body choreography well does help with the scoring, but the scoring of these game modes is more significantly influenced by the motion of your right hand. There are several subtleties that the game can detect relating to your right hand when you're holding a remote or phone that don't influence the scoring as much with camera game play (though with Xbox Kinect in particular, the sensor can detect certain details suprisingly well).

    When your legs and arms (and hips, head, etc.) are all moving, the camera is looking to see how well your whole body is moving (though in each specific move, the game may have specific features that it is checking on). But with a remote or phone, the motion of your right hand is really scrutinized. You might be moving multiple body parts in a way that pleases the camera, while on the same move the motion of your right hand may not live up to the scrutiny of remote/phone sensing.

    In either case, a specific move might analyze the smoothness of your motion, for example. In such a case, the camera may be looking at the smoothness of multiple body parts, whereas the remote/phone would look at the smoothness specifically of your right hand.

    There are all kinds of ways that the right hand can twist, roll, shake, curl, and move relative to your forearm. The camera isn't quite as picky about this (though sometimes the camera or Kinect surprise me with what they can pick up), but the remote/phone can be very picky about it.

    Lean On, for example, the main version (the quartet), is easier with camera (and especially Kinect) game play, if you get the full-body positions and motions to track well. This dance is much harder for most players with a remote or phone because it's harder to copy the intricate hand motions precisely.

    It's not uncommon for dances that are easy to do with a camera (or Kinect) to be difficult to do with PS Move, a Switch Joy-Con, or a phone. If you have Unlimited, you should explore Maneater, Dragostea Din Tei, Sweet Little Unforgettable Thing, Watch Me Alternate, Daddy Cool, and other dances where high scores are common among remote/phone game play. Look at the Switch Dancer of the Week scores for Unlimited dances, since Switch doesn't have a camera option, for an idea of which prior dances seem to favor remote play and which seem to be hard (although the leaderboard is sometimes misleading, as a top dancer may figure out a really hard dance and post an insane score). With the PS leaderboard, the score could have come from a camera or Move. With 2020 dances, there are probably a lot of high scores across most of the dances, with all the top players doing all the songs avidly right now, so here it will be harder to judge difficulty from the high score alone.

    When I went through Just Dance 2018 in a few weeks on Switch, I found it reasonable to hit Megastars across those dances (except for the extremes, which generally seem to be easier with a camera). I only tried the 2019 dances one or two times each on Switch, so I'm less familiar with those, and haven't tried a remote or phone with 2020 yet.

    With Mama Mia in 2019, for example, I was hitting an easy 13000 on Kinect or with the PS4 camera, but my first time through with Switch I was messing up what seemed like an easy move with the hands over the head. On the second attempt, I realized that I was trying to force the vibrations with my hands, and when I finally stopped trying to move my hands/arms and let my lower body create the vibrations, I started to hit perfects on that sequence. it's just one example of the different ways that camera and remote/phone game play detect the quality and rhythm of your dancing (and that's an example of how other parts of your body can impact remote/phone scoring).

    As another example, All You Gotta Do Is Just Dance was an easy 13000 for me on Kinect (and almost as easy with the PS4 camera), and at first I was just barely hitting 12000 on Switch. But then I realized that it was penalizing me for "cheating" on the legs with Switch on one sequence. Since I wasn't using a camera, I decided to try not to create the same extreme leg angles that I normally do, and that cost me points with remote gameplay. When I started doing those moves the same way as I do them with Kinect, the Switch started giving me perfects.

    There are also a lot of other issues just with the motion of your right hand which havre nothing to do with full-body detection when you're using a remote/phone. Study the right hand closely. Work on smoothness. Look for little motions of the right hand that might be easy to overlook. Which way is the hand pointing? Is it turning relative to your arm? Is it shaking? Are you moving too much or too little, too fast or too slow, the list goes on and on. Even how lightly or tightly you grip it may carry influence on certain moves or dances. You really need to experiment with various things and learn what works for you for different kinds of moves (though the JD team can be clever and look for different things on two similar moves). The top players with remote/phone game play have a lot of experience trying to perfect a variety of moves. Ask yourself what the best dancers should be doing (full body, or just the right hand) that many players might not do quite as well. That is, if you studied the video, how would you determine who was doing the move better or worse? Of course, rhythm, timing, speed, acceleration, smoothness is one thing, but technique may also be important. If you can think along these lines, it might help to see what the JD team was thinking.

    It sometimes helps to explore songs from the Unlimited catalog. Every time you figure out how to turn a mistake into a Perfect, you gain experience and insight. If you have Just Dance 2017 and if the video challenges are still active (I don't know as I haven't checked it recently; but online features sometimes disappear after a certain number of years), you can watch other players' videos. You can also find game play videos on YouTube for players using remotes, and sometimes you can learn something from how they use it. I was having trouble with the gold move at the end of Nitro Bot with Wii U, for example, and when I found a video of someone doing this online with a remote, I was able to finally figure it out.

    There are several very adept and knowledgeable PS Move and Switch players. However, the ones who have learned how to hit a lot of 13,000's might not be willing to share too many of their secrets. Though if any are willing to share advice (or offer possible technical solutions), that would be great.

    Good luck and happy dancing.
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    Let me reply you: for any shaking/waving motions, try to keep your palms up while holding the controller. This is not the panacea but it helps me hitting Megastar a lot.

    Rhythm is much much much much more important than the gesture: you can get a "Super" by hitting the beats in a wrong direction (move); but you will score an "OK" if you miss the rhythm and do the exact gesture.

    If you cannot register to some move when you dance to a duet/triplet/quadlet, try to follow the move of ANOTHER couch:
    One case is the "High Hope", when people shaking their hands horizontally like the male coach, they will definitely fail the move ("OK") . However, if you move like the female coach, even you are dancing to a male coach, by keeping your front limb VERTICALLY, you will "perfect" the move.
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