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[WolfenTank]

I think arcade is absolutely trash.

The AI in this game is WAY too hard to fight

The gear you get from doing quests has a low drop rate and not guaranteed for the character you used which is the lamest developer decision I have ever seen. Drops should be 100% and more likely to be for the character you are using or only for the character you use which would encourage players to build a full roster of rep 7+ heroes so they can get the cool arcade loot on all of them.

There is nothing preventing the game from making impossible matchups of modifiers which means fairly often you are forced to restart at any point throughout the quest and spend a lovely amount of time in the menu or loading instead of just playing the game you paid for. TONS of time can get wasted because of this.

And despite all of this Arcade is one of the worst ways to get XP and Steel in the game giving even less incentive to play it.


The addition of arcade made it clear the devs value PVP infinitely more than you playing the content/events that they make for the game.

1) How does a battle pass work exactly? I'm not really fond of paying real life money to get armor. Armor is something you should earn by playing the game.

2) Maybe they need to do a little rework on Arcade?

[Dragtyr]

1) How does a battle pass work exactly? I'm not really fond of paying real life money to get armor. Armor is something you should earn by playing the game.

2) Maybe they need to do a little rework on Arcade?

Battlepass is a thing you can buy for 10€ there is a free path and a premium path (which you pay for).
You get rewarded for each level you earn by gaining XP. How those XP are earned is up to the devs. Like with quests or simply playing the game.
There are mostly 50+ levels each earning some neat rewards. If you actually play the game actively you easily earn back what you've paid for. At least for most Battlepasses I've seen.

I know you might say you want to be able to earn armor by playing the game still they need to make money somehow. We could stick with 1 armor per year... or get 1 - 2 armor sets every 3 months by paying 10 bucks.

I mean 1 armor set could be premium only while the other is at the last level of the free pass. The main issue imho is that steel is earned way too easy. I for myself never needed to buy any steel for the cosmetics I wanted. This obviously isn't a bad thing for the player but for the income of the game. Everything you buy here is completely optional and still you can easily earn it by simply playing 1-2 hours per day. Unless you try to main every hero then it might be tough.

I know it's not a nice thing to hear but I think to keep the game alive it really needs some cosmetics that are only gained by paying a bit of money. The playerbase is too small to make everything obtainable by simply playing the game.

[WolfenTank]

Battlepass is a thing you can buy for 10€ there is a free path and a premium path (which you pay for).
You get rewarded for each level you earn by gaining XP. How those XP are earned is up to the devs. Like with quests or simply playing the game.
There are mostly 50+ levels each earning some neat rewards. If you actually play the game actively you easily earn back what you've paid for. At least for most Battlepasses I've seen.

I know you might say you want to be able to earn armor by playing the game still they need to make money somehow. We could stick with 1 armor per year... or get 1 - 2 armor sets every 3 months by paying 10 bucks.

I mean 1 armor set could be premium only while the other is at the last level of the free pass. The main issue imho is that steel is earned way too easy. I for myself never needed to buy any steel for the cosmetics I wanted. This obviously isn't a bad thing for the player but for the income of the game. Everything you buy here is completely optional and still you can easily earn it by simply playing 1-2 hours per day. Unless you try to main every hero then it might be tough.

I know it's not a nice thing to hear but I think to keep the game alive it really needs some cosmetics that are only gained by paying a bit of money. The playerbase is too small to make everything obtainable by simply playing the game.

Maybe we should open a thread with ideas from the community on how the devs can make money without getting the fans against them?

[Dragtyr]

Maybe we should open a thread with ideas from the community on how the devs can make money without getting the fans against them?

When they actually announce a year 4 then we can try to make some suggestions for sure. For now we need to wait and see what is to come.

[Qoissant]

The main issue imho is that steel is earned way too easy.

Yeah that is not true at all. Without challenges it is relatively impossible to gain thanks to how massively overpriced cosmetics are.

You can only get like maximum 300 steel per hour with champion status on all teammates. If this game was a full time job you would only get 2400 steel a day. The cheapest cosmetics cost 5000 steel and most high tier gear upgrades would cost 2000 to max out 1/6 gear slots. Not to mention champion status costs 666 steel per day so you are actually only really making 1730 steel a day at the most generous rates.

So say you had a goal to get all the heroes a global effect, an execution, and a signature. You would need 15k for mythic outfit which is the cheapest way to get an effect for all slots, 5k for an execution, 5k for a signature. You then needs 25k per hero. That is 650,000 steel to just make your roster look pretty. No actual gear work done at all. Not to mention there are 4 execution slots and 4 emote slots. You would need over 2000 hours of in game gameplay to accomplish this. Challenges and season events could reduce this by about 30% if very lucky.

If we wanted all our characters to be perfected with executions and emotes and effects... 60k steel per character. 1,560,000 steel would be required.Upwards of 5000 in game hours required to accomplish that. There is 8000 and some hours in a year. Humans only spend roughly 2000 hours a year working. I think I have painted the picture here.

Of course the devs would never fix this as long as people like you believe its reasonable and also you are able to buy 1,560,000steel for the low low price of $1,400 CAD.

Don't even get me started on how much it costs to purchase everything in the game.

[Dragtyr]

Yeah that is not true at all. Without challenges it is relatively impossible to gain thanks to how massively overpriced cosmetics are.

You can only get like maximum 300 steel per hour with champion status on all teammates. If this game was a full time job you would only get 2400 steel a day. The cheapest cosmetics cost 5000 steel and most high tier gear upgrades would cost 2000 to max out 1/6 gear slots. Not to mention champion status costs 666 steel per day so you are actually only really making 1730 steel a day at the most generous rates.

So say you had a goal to get all the heroes a global effect, an execution, and a signature. You would need 15k for mythic outfit which is the cheapest way to get an effect for all slots, 5k for an execution, 5k for a signature. You then needs 25k per hero. That is 650,000 steel to just make your roster look pretty. No actual gear work done at all. Not to mention there are 4 execution slots and 4 emote slots. You would need over 2000 hours of in game gameplay to accomplish this. Challenges and season events could reduce this by about 30% if very lucky.

If we wanted all our characters to be perfected with executions and emotes and effects... 60k steel per character. 1,560,000 steel would be required.Upwards of 5000 in game hours required to accomplish that. There is 8000 and some hours in a year. Humans only spend roughly 2000 hours a year working. I think I have painted the picture here.

Of course the devs would never fix this as long as people like you believe its reasonable and also you are able to buy 1,560,000steel for the low low price of $1,400 CAD.

Don't even get me started on how much it costs to purchase everything in the game.

Yeah right if you want everything for every hero...

You mostly play a few heroes out of the roster let's say 5 at a higher degree. For those you actually buy some stuff to look a bit different. If you want to buy everything for heroes you don't even play then you're basically doing something wrong. Getting everything for even 1 hero is also pretty dumb since you can't even equip all of it at once and you can only make 3 presets.

I'm sorry but you are totally unreasonable here.

[Qoissant]

Yeah right if you want everything for every hero...

You mostly play a few heroes out of the roster let's say 5 at a higher degree. For those you actually buy some stuff to look a bit different. If you want to buy everything for heroes you don't even play then you're basically doing something wrong. Getting everything for even 1 hero is also pretty dumb since you can't even equip all of it at once and you can only make 3 presets.

I'm sorry but you are totally unreasonable here.

There is nothing unreasonable about what I said a fully equipped hero would cost at least 60k steel. Nothing overlapping. I have rep 8+ on all my heroes. I like to rotate through different heroes as I please but I only have like 8 of them with signatures and executions and what not. I paid for the game I own all the characters and I like to use the majority of them. Asking players to play as much as I just mentioned to get to a point where you have consistent customization across all heroes is just insane.

Regardless I adequately presented that steel is not that easy to get in relevance to how much there is to spend. It is incredibly tedious and usually gets swallowed up by gear enhancing.

Scavenger creates are also incredibly overpriced and most people never unlock more than half the weapons for a character because they have like 0.1% drop rates. It takes too long IMO just to get 1 rep. It takes roughly one 6-8 hour day to get 1 rep. 1'820 reps in the game with most of the cool colours and outfits locked behind absurdly high reps. You can't even unlock effects and executions by levelling your character which is a cheap design decision as well.

This game is infinitely stacked against earning anything. It won't be long before you can buy reps with steel I bet.

If a call of duty style fighting game has more grind than Runescape I think we have an issue.

[Dragtyr]

There is nothing unreasonable about what I said a fully equipped hero would cost at least 60k steel. Nothing overlapping. I have rep 8+ on all my heroes. I like to rotate through different heroes as I please but I only have like 8 of them with signatures and executions and what not. I paid for the game I own all the characters and I like to use the majority of them. Asking players to play as much as I just mentioned to get to a point where you have consistent customization across all heroes is just insane.

Regardless I adequately presented that steel is not that easy to get in relevance to how much there is to spend. It is incredibly tedious and usually gets swallowed up by gear enhancing.

Scavenger creates are also incredibly overpriced and most people never unlock more than half the weapons for a character because they have like 0.1% drop rates. It takes too long IMO just to get 1 rep. It takes roughly one 6-8 hour day to get 1 rep. 1'820 reps in the game with most of the cool colours and outfits locked behind absurdly high reps. You can't even unlock effects and executions by levelling your character which is a cheap design decision as well.

This game is infinitely stacked against earning anything. It won't be long before you can buy reps with steel I bet.

If a call of duty style fighting game has more grind than Runescape I think we have an issue.

Funny... atm I'm sitting on 70k Steel and 110 Crates that I still don't know what to do with. I got 5 Characters perk complete and those who I play look exactly what I want them to look like.
I'm still picking all Heroes here and there and got quite a few Rep 10+.

Dunno but I'm doing really fine. Even bought a year of Champion status when it was reduced to like 45k steel or so. My main heroes all have at least 2 executes, mostly 20k effects and a few emotes I found ok. Most of them suck tbh.

Yeah dunno maybe you're just into every single piece they release. I think most of it is pretty meh. I only buy what I really want.

Anyway this is going off-topic we should stop.

[WolfenTank]

There is nothing unreasonable about what I said a fully equipped hero would cost at least 60k steel. Nothing overlapping. I have rep 8+ on all my heroes. I like to rotate through different heroes as I please but I only have like 8 of them with signatures and executions and what not. I paid for the game I own all the characters and I like to use the majority of them. Asking players to play as much as I just mentioned to get to a point where you have consistent customization across all heroes is just insane.

Regardless I adequately presented that steel is not that easy to get in relevance to how much there is to spend. It is incredibly tedious and usually gets swallowed up by gear enhancing.

Scavenger creates are also incredibly overpriced and most people never unlock more than half the weapons for a character because they have like 0.1% drop rates. It takes too long IMO just to get 1 rep. It takes roughly one 6-8 hour day to get 1 rep. 1'820 reps in the game with most of the cool colours and outfits locked behind absurdly high reps. You can't even unlock effects and executions by levelling your character which is a cheap design decision as well.

This game is infinitely stacked against earning anything. It won't be long before you can buy reps with steel I bet.

If a call of duty style fighting game has more grind than Runescape I think we have an issue.

Gotta agree with steel not easy to come by in comparison to the prices of what you can buy

[pimmas01]

i come back time and time again to taste the sweet immersion this game offer, like the 1on1 standoffs in Dominion with the war raging in the background, and the grudgematch afterwards. the reward of connecting your heavy and get to feel the weight of your attack slash through your opponent.

i keep uninstalling it because of the random elements in 4v4 mode and some (half) of the cast having designs that make them feel like they dont have to work for the results. too much free damage.
many times, wins and losses doesn't seem earned.


about STEEL however, i see people on the forums complain about it every now and then, and they are always mentioning unlocking Everything.
i've never been one to chase ingame "achievements" or getting that 100% number on my screeen, so i can't relate.
i've unlocked what seemed interesting already. the lockboxes to me seems useless since they dont give me anything im not already getting from matches, and the steel is flowing well enough to unlock new heroes for 15k each and maybe get some executes, dont really need anything else.

i Would like to be able to unlock some of those insanely high prestige colors for my armor though, not sure what's up with that tbh. you're not really gonna unlock anything at high prestige unless you're only ever playing 1 character. would be nice to buy some with steel.