Thought I might post this since most lists I’ve seen are for duels. This is particularly based on my experience.
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S-TIER (Must Pick):
- Black Prior
- Raider
- Shaolin
- Jiang Jun
A-TIER (Strong):
- Conqueror
- Lawbringer
- Black Prior
- Berserker
- Hitokiri
- Nuxia
B-TIER (Viable):
- Warden
- Peacekeeper
- Centurion
- Valkyrie
- Highlander
- Shaman
- Kensei
- Shugoki
- Shinobi
- Tiandi
C-TIER (Weak):
- Jormangundr
- Nobushi
D-TIER (Throwing):
- Gladiator
- Warlord
- Aramusha
- Orochi
Where do you think Jorm should be? Jorm is a liability in ganks. Bigger problems with Jorm is their seriously bad minion clear and weak performance in group fights, and don’t forget to recognize that most of his feats are poor.Originally Posted by AmonDarkGod Go to original post
Shaolin is S-Tier no doubt. Especially right now. Minion clear possible because of heal on block (because body count nerf) invigorate is just amazing in teamfight,Great gank setup (and revenge stall) on CGB with the triple stab guarranteeing heavies,good in duels because you cannot run from him at all, Qi Trap exist,has the fastest rotations in the game (extra note about rotation options: the hit box for superior block lights are GREAT) with both Blink and Blessed Projection with Scout for small maps,400ms top light interrupt to beat hito in mid. No reason for Shaolin not to be in S Tier.
After thinking about it, your right. I’ve demoted Shugoki’s placement in the tiers.
I’ve relooked into PK’s options.Originally Posted by Goat_of_Vermund Go to original post
Agreed, changed tier position.
Can you define your tiers a bit? Is S "must-pick"? Is B the lowest level of "viable"?
I think many people would have Shaman and Shaolin switched around somewhat, if the spectator mode showcase tournaments still indicate anything. I actually felt like Shaman and BP were the two most picked heroes overall.
I also would say that Nobushi being up in S is unusual at this point. I feel like she got supplanted by LB, Kensei, and Conq in mid-lane somewhat.
Not trying to say you're wrong, but if we want to start a discussion that's what I'm most curious to hear about.![]()
i disagree with alot of placements on this list. You didnt say how you defined each tier but Black Prior MUST be S tier. Black prior's plethora of team oriented feats, proficient minion clearing, bulwark flip, and high survivability are perfect for dominion. I'd bet money he was created with dominion play in mind. whether or not you like the Black Prior, it's hard to argue what he brings to the table in a 4v4 effort
How is Nobushi still an S-Tier pick in Dominion, coming from a Rep 70 Nobu main, she is absolutely dreadful to play. She has no offense, can't even fake an offense anymore with the light soft fient into hidden stance getting removed, her defense also took a hard hit with hidden stance being vulnerable to guardbreak. Her feats are bad, her perks are bad, She still has glaring stamina issues, her kick is too slow and leaves her vulnerable, her lights are still to slow so you can never complete a combo without getting the 2nd light parried. Her swift recoil was removed so no more kiting opponents because the devs believe a characters with long range weapons should also be kissing distance of their opponents. Her overall damage was nerfed across the board so it takes forever to kill these Tanks, Raiders, and LBs running around meaning the only way you lose to a Nobushi is if you have made countless mistakes which a veteran will hardly do. And her minion clear speed is so slow and wastes a good chunk of her stamina that taking Body Count doesn't make a difference because they nerfed that hard too.
My point is Nobushi isn't a S-Tier pick at best she is B-Tier, JiangJun took Nobushi's role and you are always going to want a JiangJun over a Nobushi 100% of the time. He has better damage, better unblockable, a better stance, and better supportive feats, along with better perks. Nobushi right now only serves as meme-y lewd fanservice until she gets a rework of some sort.
Alright! I’ve looked at the suggestions and have made a couple of updates to the tier list based on my research
and your explanations/suggestions. Here are the states of the characters mentioned (tiers are now defined as well):
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Jorm - Suggested To Be Elsewhere
Result: Still C-Tier
Shaolin - Suggested To Be Elsewhere
Result: Still S-Tier
Shugoki - Suggested To Be Elsewhere
Result: Demoted to B-Tier
Peacekeeper - Suggested To Be B-Tier
Result: Promoted to B-Tier
Shaman - Suggested To Be Elsewhere
Result: Still B-Tier
Black Prior - Suggested To Be S-Tier
Result: Promoted to S-Tier
Nobushi - Suggested To Be B-Tier or lower
Result: Demoted to C-Tier
Feel free to post additional comments. I’m hoping to increase the accuracy of this tier list based on sufficient explanation/reason.
incase you did not know we get REAL tier lists more or less at some point during the season vs pick and win ratios.Originally Posted by Drakeawish;14611785
Result: Still C-Tier
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As a Shaolin main he is absolutely not S tier ever anywhere. Lights are easy to parry, sideswipe is easy to react to, anything out of chi stance that isn't a CC or kick to light is useless.
His minion clearing is like a 2/5 so it doesn't matter if he has heal on block as he barely can kill any to begin with. Kensei and raider have a 5/5 for reference.
Speaking of raider, if raider is S tier then Shaolin CANNOT be in S. Shaolin is always below raider in any tier list and in any game mode ever.
From most tier lists I have seen he is a C/B.