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[Chapisat]

How have you got it this wrong on a technical, design and gameplay level?

I’m 33 hours in and have reached a point of absolute frustration with this mess of a game.

The pre-release interviews are full of developers commenting how they noticed Wildland players played a certain way so you developed system to make them change the way they played. Why? For god sake why? We liked Wildlands and your response was to release a worse game in most aspects and add systems to frustrate us? It’s sheer arrogance, micro-transaction fuelled greed and fools folly.

Here’s my “highlights” so far:

Game breaking bugs and freezes:
Lack of drone marking NPC
Lack of drone marking locations
NPCs not spawning in so you can’t start a mission
Weapons not spawning in - in a shooter game!
Crashes during PvP
Server issues

Stupid design choices:
Gear management - I want a custom look that I can stick to and then not have to manage gear.
Vehicles/road network - the basic infrastructure is random and impractical and makes no practical sense.
UAV spotting drone - Why make us go prone every now and again? It interrupts the game flow.
Progress checkpoints - lazy implementation
Stamina - When did Nomad become an asthmatic with balance issues?
Player Hub - I’m told I’m one of the few that survive from the 32, get to the player hub and it’s a spec op party?!
Locations - Copy and paste asset placement to populate the map with “Shell Technology” in random spots.
Persistent online - Why should I not be able to play single player because your servers are turd?

You recon it is reasonable to wait until the 15th October for the next patch? You’re taking the mick!

I’ve tried turning it off, I’ve rebuilt my PS4 database an restored the licenses... if I have to delete to do a reinstall I’m having my money back - if you don’t offer refunds, I’ll go through my credit card company for a Section 75 faulty goods refund.

[gunzc21]

How have you got it this wrong on a technical, design and gameplay level?

I’m 33 hours in and have reached a point of absolute frustration with this mess of a game.

The pre-release interviews are full of developers commenting how they noticed Wildland players played a certain way so you developed system to make them change the way they played. Why? For god sake why? We liked Wildlands and your response was to release a worse game in most aspects and add systems to frustrate us? It’s sheer arrogance, micro-transaction fuelled greed and fools folly.

Here’s my “highlights” so far:

Game breaking bugs and freezes:
Lack of drone marking NPC
Lack of drone marking locations
NPCs not spawning in so you can’t start a mission
Weapons not spawning in - in a shooter game!
Crashes during PvP
Server issues

Stupid design choices:
Gear management - I want a custom look that I can stick to and then not have to manage gear.
Vehicles/road network - the basic infrastructure is random and impractical and makes no practical sense.
UAV spotting drone - Why make us go prone every now and again? It interrupts the game flow.
Progress checkpoints - lazy implementation
Stamina - When did Nomad become an asthmatic with balance issues?
Player Hub - I’m told I’m one of the few that survive from the 32, get to the player hub and it’s a spec op party?!
Locations - Copy and paste asset placement to populate the map with “Shell Technology” in random spots.
Persistent online - Why should I not be able to play single player because your servers are turd?

You recon it is reasonable to wait until the 15th October for the next patch? You’re taking the mick!

I’ve tried turning it off, I’ve rebuilt my PS4 database an restored the licenses... if I have to delete to do a reinstall I’m having my money back - if you don’t offer refunds, I’ll go through my credit card company for a Section 75 faulty goods refund.

while I agree with much of this post some of it is well just not realistic.

Game breaking bugs and freezes: yes way to many of them
Lack of drone marking NPC: Stupid and not realistic but, I think your particular game is broke mine marks them just fine though I feel it should not. real life you don't get marker above enemy head.
Lack of drone marking locations: Again I think your particular game must be broke I have been all over the map and not hit that anywhere. You do know you have to get that ability for your drone right?
NPCs not spawning in so you can’t start a mission: Not sure about this have had some take a long time to show up madz is the worst but, I stand around for a bit, keep adhd under control and he shows up.
Weapons not spawning in - This I have seen way to often on NPCs guys holding invisi guns!
Crashes during PvP: Have not tried it yet
Server issues: I have had no trouble with this

Gear management - I want a custom look that I can stick to and then not have to manage gear. They have that I have to say you are dead wrong on that. I have gear the way I want it.
Vehicles/road network - the basic infrastructure is random and impractical and makes no practical sense/ this statement makes no sense. I think this is one of the few things they did right.
UAV spotting drone - Why make us go prone every now and again? It interrupts the game flow, that is the idea/ realism if you want arcade play call of duty or apex/ interruptions are part of game flow unless you just want to squeak around the map as fast as you can and shoot everyone/
Progress checkpoints - lazy implementation/control the adhd. it is goal orientated. Kind of a nice twist.
Stamina - When did Nomad become an asthmatic with balance issues? Again you want a arcade game go play one they are spot on with both. Try sprinting 100m in full kit with 2 weapons and ammo. Nomad is freaking Hercules if anything they need to add same fatigue issues to ai so they cannot run you down endlessly at full sprint.
Player Hub - I’m told I’m one of the few that survive from the 32, get to the player hub and it’s a spec op party?!
Locations - Copy and paste asset placement to populate the map with “Shell Technology” in random spots. Have you played the game? that's all I can ask.
Persistent online - Why should I not be able to play single player because your servers are turd? I have played for hours every day since release and had no issues with servers however maybe you're connection is turd.

I think you may need to calm down a bit much of what you are flaking about literally I have not seen yet. I do agree that this game has horrible issue but, only in bugs, lack of quality control, and them straying from original idea for game to make it more arcade for squeakers.

[gunzc21]

UAV spotting drone - Why make us go prone every now and again? It interrupts the game flow I wanted to add I disagree with the way the uav delivers wolves. they should travel to you if you are marked not just auto spawn. It is a great idea but they took short cut in programing.

[Chapisat]

while I agree with much of this post some of it is well just not realistic.

Game breaking bugs and freezes: yes way to many of them
Lack of drone marking NPC: Stupid and not realistic but, I think your particular game is broke mine marks them just fine though I feel it should not. real life you don't get marker above enemy head.
Lack of drone marking locations: Again I think your particular game must be broke I have been all over the map and not hit that anywhere. You do know you have to get that ability for your drone right?
NPCs not spawning in so you can’t start a mission: Not sure about this have had some take a long time to show up madz is the worst but, I stand around for a bit, keep adhd under control and he shows up.
Weapons not spawning in - This I have seen way to often on NPCs guys holding invisi guns!
Crashes during PvP: Have not tried it yet
Server issues: I have had no trouble with this

Gear management - I want a custom look that I can stick to and then not have to manage gear. They have that I have to say you are dead wrong on that. I have gear the way I want it.
Vehicles/road network - the basic infrastructure is random and impractical and makes no practical sense/ this statement makes no sense. I think this is one of the few things they did right.
UAV spotting drone - Why make us go prone every now and again? It interrupts the game flow, that is the idea/ realism if you want arcade play call of duty or apex/ interruptions are part of game flow unless you just want to squeak around the map as fast as you can and shoot everyone/
Progress checkpoints - lazy implementation/control the adhd. it is goal orientated. Kind of a nice twist.
Stamina - When did Nomad become an asthmatic with balance issues? Again you want a arcade game go play one they are spot on with both. Try sprinting 100m in full kit with 2 weapons and ammo. Nomad is freaking Hercules if anything they need to add same fatigue issues to ai so they cannot run you down endlessly at full sprint.
Player Hub - I’m told I’m one of the few that survive from the 32, get to the player hub and it’s a spec op party?!
Locations - Copy and paste asset placement to populate the map with “Shell Technology” in random spots. Have you played the game? that's all I can ask.
Persistent online - Why should I not be able to play single player because your servers are turd? I have played for hours every day since release and had no issues with servers however maybe you're connection is turd.

I think you may need to calm down a bit much of what you are flaking about literally I have not seen yet. I do agree that this game has horrible issue but, only in bugs, lack of quality control, and them straying from original idea for game to make it more arcade for squeakers.

Patronise much mate?

Yes I have about 40 hours of gameplay in, and got 150+ hours on Wildlands too.

I have played CoD since PC, the same for Battlefield and Rainbow Six. I’m also pretty handy on Arma too but I’m talking about Ghost Recon here... I don’t need any elitist “go to CoD if you want to run and gun” snobbery cheers

Also, lucky you for not having server issues and glitches in your play through so far. The mass number of threads, reports and media coverage on the issue as well as Ubisoft’s own media feeds would suggest you’ve been fortunate.

So in rebuttal;

Drone marking isn’t realistic, no. But it is a staple of the game - people can turn it off if they want but it’s part of the game design and for many people it is not working. Ubisoft have posted on the issue and suggest a full reinstall may be needed - so yes it is an issue. Your preference for realism is a mute point.

In terms of the UAV, what does it actually add? The mini map tells me it’s coming and I have a choice to go prone and wait or fight a squad of wolves that magically appear. If you want realism, why not just let it glide silently and occasionally kill me with a sudden missile strike?

The checkpoints are lazy. On the final mission with Walker his team of Wolves killed me in the hanger/base. Fair enough, it’ll load me in the same building after the cut scene - nope, 550m away, across a stretch of water with no vehicles facing a huge wall I had to detour around and then watch the same unskippable cutscene.

In terms of stamina, specs ops are the equivalent of world class athletes. They can speed march in full gear for miles over rugged terrain - you telling me they slide down every other hill head over tail? Behave - the actual sprint mechanic makes sense but not the falling over like a drunk clown.

The reused assets? Really? Have you played the game? I’ve seen the same 3 types of little Skell Technology building peppered over the map as ‘locations’ so many timed that I thought I’d gone in a circle.

No connection issues? There is literally a post in the forums from Ubisoft about it... it is an issue on their end. Always funny how fanboys challenge people’s connection - I literally have a hardline fibre connection to my console and run a top 20% connection for the UK.

Players not showing up - yeah, ADHD is the issue...
I don’t have ADHD and would not take to using it as a way to belittle others myself.

So cheers for your opinions, clearly grounded in your experiences of the bubble you floated in on and devoid from the fact that there are literally thousands of people raising similar grievances.

Enjoy laying prone and falling overr in Auroa x

[gunzc21]

Patronise much mate?

Yes I have about 40 hours of gameplay in, and got 150+ hours on Wildlands too.

I have played CoD since PC, the same for Battlefield and Rainbow Six. I’m also pretty handy on Arma too but I’m talking about Ghost Recon here... I don’t need any elitist “go to CoD if you want to run and gun” snobbery cheers

Also, lucky you for not having server issues and glitches in your play through so far. The mass number of threads, reports and media coverage on the issue as well as Ubisoft’s own media feeds would suggest you’ve been fortunate.

So in rebuttal;

Drone marking isn’t realistic, no. But it is a staple of the game - people can turn it off if they want but it’s part of the game design and for many people it is not working. Ubisoft have posted on the issue and suggest a full reinstall may be needed - so yes it is an issue. Your preference for realism is a mute point.

In terms of the UAV, what does it actually add? The mini map tells me it’s coming and I have a choice to go prone and wait or fight a squad of wolves that magically appear. If you want realism, why not just let it glide silently and occasionally kill me with a sudden missile strike?

The checkpoints are lazy. On the final mission with Walker his team of Wolves killed me in the hanger/base. Fair enough, it’ll load me in the same building after the cut scene - nope, 550m away, across a stretch of water with no vehicles facing a huge wall I had to detour around and then watch the same unskippable cutscene.

In terms of stamina, specs ops are the equivalent of world class athletes. They can speed march in full gear for miles over rugged terrain - you telling me they slide down every other hill head over tail? Behave - the actual sprint mechanic makes sense but not the falling over like a drunk clown.

The reused assets? Really? Have you played the game? I’ve seen the same 3 types of little Skell Technology building peppered over the map as ‘locations’ so many timed that I thought I’d gone in a circle.

No connection issues? There is literally a post in the forums from Ubisoft about it... it is an issue on their end. Always funny how fanboys challenge people’s connection - I literally have a hardline fibre connection to my console and run a top 20% connection for the UK.

Players not showing up - yeah, ADHD is the issue...
I don’t have ADHD and would not take to using it as a way to belittle others myself.

So cheers for your opinions, clearly grounded in your experiences of the bubble you floated in on and devoid from the fact that there are literally thousands of people raising similar grievances.

Enjoy laying prone and falling overr in Auroa x

You are right, I am not real nice sorry, ok as for drones, while I hold its not realistic I also have had no problem with spotting so not sure what is going on for you. As for check points I will grant you that they are not entirely well done and have issues.

In terms of stamina, yes those who are part of special ops teams are very harden but, with that said. to be able to run in full kit with the gear that they have in game at a full sprint. I challenge you this put on 90 -110 lbs of gear and run 100 yards. not only are you not able to sprint you are going to be winded quick. As for down hill try doing a full sprint down hill under perfect conditions you might do it as for in kit with ammo and guns yes, No! I fall when incline makes sense I would in sprint. in run no sprint I can navigate most hills unless really steep. Crouch walk and you can literally go down a sheer cliff without falling if anything they need to fix that.

As for reuse I take it you are talking about buildings in that yes they re used much but not all however, GRWL no different I don't fault them for that because several areas are very unique as well.

I have had no issues with connection however I am not in uk. In that forgive my ignorance.

You do realize that drones do not come all the time or in all areas right? and as for falling over. I love the challenge. I am for realism vs not. so while there are those who raise similar issues.there are another group who don't. Either way I can agree the game is broke in many many ways.

[kurgan3009]

He's right. They took everything good from wildlands and threw it in the bin to make this dead dull sparse backward mess. Why do they put vehicles next to towers in the middle of no where with absolute no road or track. Lazy