Is Ubisoft refusing to nerf Raider? | Forums

[TOCKSYK]

I think there's nothing left to debate. He is overtuned and needs an undelayable stun tap and a damage nerf. I personally think everyone is playing Raider when they don't feel like using their brain. Most Raider mains are either OG's that get mad respects from me because I can respect the struggle of a bad main, or kids that vegetate on their seats, playing Raider and eating until they get fat as balls.

Yeah yeah, I hear y'all coming here like ''MAIN SHAMING!! HE'S MAIN SHAMING''. Settle down, will ya? If you're defending the Raider mains, you are one of them. And we..we will find you. You will feel the sting of our venom


But seriously, I think we all can agree that Raider needs nerfing and other characters like Nobu, Orochi and Lawbringer should receive something instead. Is it that hard for Ubi to tweak a few numbers?

NERF RAIDER!!! OR WE WILL RAID UBISOFT HEADQUARTERS! THEY CAN'T STOP US ALL

[atac56]

you guys dont think there are enough raider complaint threads already? sheesh

[Siegfried-Z]

Raider nerf should be their priority.

This Guy is literally killing the game since his rework happen.

They already nerf him in the way they remoove dodge GB, nerf ST dmg by 3 and reduce his overall stam dmg. But they forgot they make the huge mistake of buffing his dmg while he didnt needed it at all.

Urgent Raider dmg nerf :
-Combo zone from 50 to 45 dmg
-Side heavy finisher from 40 to 30 dmg (common this moove always come while you dont see anything and has HA plus softfeint .. damn )

These 2 are the most important.

But he also needs to be unable to blind you while you are already and his ST shouldnt be delayable.

Then and only then he will be kind of okay.

UBI COULD WE HAVE A COMMENT ON RAIDER STATE PLEASE ? Everyone is showing you a red alert for months now and we didnt have any comment about it.

you guys dont think there are enough raider complaint threads already? sheesh

Oh man we never have enough Raider complain.

[Siegfried-Z]

Oh and no one know why but his has 140 hp.

Maybe because an invisible armor i dont see? Probably the same reason why he has HA

[UbiInsulin]

Most of the feedback I see on Raider is about his being quite good at the moment, and we've made sure to reflect that when we talk about it with the team. He's also been picked plenty in the recent Dominion tourneys, and our most recent State of Balance data shows he's doing quite well.

As long as you stick to why and how a hero needs changes you're pretty much good in terms of not mainshaming.

I think you were joking around in the original post, but uh, that would qualify as mainshaming yes.

[TheUberDome]

I really hope they look at both hito and raider before the start of the next season, because they really make the game unfun to play.

[Siegfried-Z]

Most of the feedback I see on Raider is about his being quite good at the moment, and we've made sure to reflect that when we talk about it with the team. He's also been picked plenty in the recent Dominion tourneys, and our most recent State of Balance data shows he's doing quite well.

As long as you stick to why and how a hero needs changes you're pretty much good in terms of not mainshaming.

I think you were joking around in the original post, but uh, that would qualify as mainshaming yes.

I am not sure if "quite good" is the appropriate terms to use for Raider feedback and stats ^^

Outside of Raiders main the feedback is a unanimous decision of the heroe in urgent need of a dmg nerf.
Stats speaking even in duel top 4% he is arround 7 to 8 points above the following top 5 others heroes...
Last tier list ranked him s tier.

So overall all signals are red, not really quite good

His animation are very bad as well. Parry Raider 500ms light is much harder than any others one.

Not sure why he has so much HA as well, should be only on the finisher.

Current Raider only promote braindead play and a way to play the game without any skills nor learning curve.

[rocks.cl]

i can confirm that raider is a braindead character now, because thats is how i played him until the day i installed the game, every time i wanted an easy win i would pick raider and just spam an erratic pattern of zone attacks into grab or stun

[Sweaty_Sock]

Most of the feedback I see on Raider is about his being quite good at the moment, and we've made sure to reflect that when we talk about it with the team. He's also been picked plenty in the recent Dominion tourneys, and our most recent State of Balance data shows he's doing quite well..

The doing 'quite well' comes at the expense of other player doing badly, despite playing better. The damage is insane for the speed and access to options and HA, ANYONE can tell you this.

The fact raider and hito have been left in this state has caused many players I know to drift away from the game (rep 200+ loyal players) who just cant be bothered trying anymore in a game that punishes you for not picking the meta.

Also, Tourneys are a terrible benchmark for the game, if that is the model of play you want from people (exploitative mechanics to guarantee 50+ damage that an opponent can literally do nothing about) then please let me know now so I can get out with my sanity

[Knight_Raime]

His HA chain shuts down any any form of offense even worse than Hito because it deals more damage (only in chain, Hito's early HA is still an issue)

Both factually false and a hyperbolic statement. Hito shuts down offense harder than any hero in the game right now. And his chain HA isn't the issue as it can't trade with most things on reaction. It's his finisher HA that can trade with a fair amount of stuff.

i can confirm that raider is a braindead character now, because thats is how i played him until the day i installed the game, every time i wanted an easy win i would pick raider and just spam an erratic pattern of zone attacks into grab or stun

Pushing over a bunch of people who struggle to hold a controller doesn't confirm your theory. Only proves you bully people. d:

The doing 'quite well' comes at the expense of other player doing badly, despite playing better. The damage is insane for the speed and access to options and HA, ANYONE can tell you this.

The fact raider and hito have been left in this state has caused many players I know to drift away from the game (rep 200+ loyal players) who just cant be bothered trying anymore in a game that punishes you for not picking the meta.

Also, Tourneys are a terrible benchmark for the game, if that is the model of play you want from people (exploitative mechanics to guarantee 50+ damage that an opponent can literally do nothing about) then please let me know now so I can get out with my sanity

Setting aside your nitpick of verbiage Insulin uses....

Saying "people r leave" doesn't really give an argument. it's just fluff to try and make a point you're struggling to vocalize.
We've already been down the road on your hilariously flawed view when it comes to tournies/competitive players so I won't rehash that corpse.

I WILL however state that the game can be balanced for both casual players (such as yourself) and top competitive players. The balance of a hero goes beyond simple power level like most people stick to. So they're not balancing exclusively for one specific portion of the fanbase. Patch notes literally prove this. However, if you have a problem with the developers looking towards the higher up players at all for balance decisions then you should have left long ago.

And you merely mentioning this now is simply you being dramatic.