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What have I done..
I couldnt believe they could do it again.. and I really wanted to fly a De Havilland Beaver around Alaska..(been inspired by a really good book.. think like a bird by allen Kimbell, army pilot).. It arrived two days ago and I've stuck with it as long as I could BUT I had to give up and get back to IL2 addons etc.. I dont know anything about flight models (or their implementation) but I know what I like. MSFSX runs with some infelicities (one field in texas is at 10ft QFE!). but the GA flying is what? unreal? Maybe I've picked up some bad habits with IL2+addons etc but at least it feels a bit like flying and the world doesnt jerk about and Trackir fits 'seemlessly' (and you're not tempted to use a CH joke!). Anyway thought I'd get off my chest. Only £50 from amazon!
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Don't feel bad about it.
Just a small mistake.
A bit like the one I made.
Got me FS2004 (EUR 20,-) and 'VFR The Netherlands' (EUR 40,-). Turns out, they (http://www.horizonsimulation.com) could not properly model bridges in that add-on.
Can you imagine, The Netherlands, with all that water, no bridges? 
As for FS2004 by itself... first thing I tried was the Curtiss Jenny... could not get it airborne... turns out it's flight model wasn't okay ... one needed a patch for that.... 'A century of flight', made in the USA, and the Jenny does not fly right
that's MS for ya....
Me the fool, as I'd already got me CFS 1, 2 and 3, I should've known better...
Thanks for sharing, it will save me some money!
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(Multicontrollered pIL2ots in need of tuning sensitivity settings:IL2-Sticks
might come in handy, IL2 Joy Control (By Oleg_BS) can even be more usefull!)
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As I was reading this a quote from the 1969 Guy Hamilton film, Battle of Britain, flashed across my mind......from the scene in the RAF plotting room just before the ceiling falls in....
"Tin hats, everybody!"
I'll bring the popcorn 
B.
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I don't have mine yet, but I have some mild reservations because the demo gave me grief and I dumped it. While it was running, I thought the effects were immersive, and the FM was not supposed to be definitive so that doesn't matter. As for FS9, having judiciously or injudiciously spent a bit of coin uprating the weather and land graphics, I am happy with it. All the upgrading and fiddling is a pain in the neck. Having written that, I have no problems with the aircraft. The Cloud9 and Captain Sim F-104s are fascinating beasts to use. I like heavy bombers, and I mean heavy---I can "fly" a B-36 or Tu-95 in FS9. I can fly a Lanc at night through devilish skies in downdrafts, rain and ice from Scampton to Berlin. I am also able to enjoy 6 DOF in FS9. I don't need to affirm my liking for Maddox products by trashing Microsoft. They compliment each other, and FS9 improves my basic piloting skills. If you think FS9's FM is easier than Il-2 ETC, try taking off in a Shockwave Fw 190A-3 and compare it to Oleg's. FS9 gives you real torque.
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When new-comers to the IL2 series come here and post silly things like " this series is terrible, the AI stinks, the FM is terrible, I am going back to (other sim game), yadda, yadda, etc." most others who have played the game more thoroughly and have a few years of experience rebuke those negative claims with positive comments.
I have a similar repsonse when I read posts against the FS series. I have been using FS9 and the other versions since it was released. I will say that out of the box the game leaves much to be desired, but with a little patience, tweaking the graphics, learning the flight characteristics (with realism sliders all the ay to the right), the FM is very dynamic and realistic.
I have flown several GA and WWII era aircraft including a T6 Texan and a B17. I like the responsive feeling of the MS flight model with many aftermarket and free third party add-ons.
For instance check out the MAAM SIM Douglas Skytrain, or the excellent Shockwave Productions Warbirds. These particluar sim aircraft totally define what PC Flight Simming is with superb 3D cockpits and external models that no other Sim can touch, period. That have to be seen to be believed.
Shockwave's recent release of the he-219 Owl is simply awesome, along with its Spit MK I and the Zero, these all feature ultra realistic engine performance characteristics that enable the use of the actual flight manuals with altitude fuel charts to be used. The engine sounds are also superb.
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Shockwave He 219 is the future---what a model! You even have to put your head in the right position (6 DOF again!) to use the gunsight! I would buy FS9 just to fly it!
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Whooo.. Bubble head and leitmotif ..toughies hey..
1) I been playing IL2 for ever (badly of course) , and I had the steam MSFS in windows 95 and I certainly dont need to snivel round any body associated here.. And if I have to buy Shockwave I probably will do... after all I had to buy about £350 plus scenery air fields and addons for 2004.. and maybe now I'll reinstall it all (computer upgrade). Just so happens it seems that some addon sales are a little uncertain about MSFSX (will it wont it work?) and we'll have to wait and see how you get on with Shockwave(?) addons with MSFKAWI.. BUT the bottom line 'advice' would be (much like yours I guess..) dont uninstall 2004 yet.
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Wehyam what are your specs? I've been thinking about MSFSX myself but don't think my machine will handle it, also it's probably gonna work best work DirectX 10. But of course this is all the eyecandy stuff (i admit i love eyecandy).
As for the secenery accuracy well the best way to deal with that are third party add-ons/user made terrains. I remember trying to fly around the massachusetts area (my home) when I got MSFS and was shocked at how horrible the terrain was, pioneer valley was unrecognizable
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I was going to buy it right away but trying to hold off until Vista and DX10 are available. I tried the demo and it runs great on a Conroe, but I still hate the look of buildings siting on the out of focus guagmire ground textures. Maybe it will be fixed with Vista and DX10 or it may be a function of having to model the whole planet. At higher altitude it looks great but I tend to fly on the deck using road signs for direction.
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FSX is running ok on my old 3.2 with a little tweaking. Just came out of an online gliding session at Rio and the frames were ok. Caught a thermal and went from 2500 to 10,000 and that was ok. Host suddenly terminated .. not ok. That's my only gripe so far. You can be having a great time and suddenly .. "host terminated .."<div class="ev_tpc_signature">
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