I find Valk to be difficult to deal with | Forums

[Sweaty_Sock]

From here my post is a general answer. Valk is not Garbage anymore but still far to be a strong heroe.
An average B tier heroe at best.

Her flow is kind of fast but anything she has is reactable, punishable and does not have a good pressure.

She is not a popular heroe so i think most people are just not use to fight her.

Valk has no UB, no HA. Zone is only good at cleaning minions. FB is as Broken as WL one. Dmg are at best average/low. Her perks are garbage. She has assassin HP. Dodge attack have no frame and are hardly punished.

The only area where she is strong is her Deflect. She has a really good one.

Will try keep mine general as well because overall while she is now an assassin with crushing counter and bash mix-ups, thats not necessarily a bad thing. my only issue is the sweep & stamina damage on light finisher. The sweep is too much reward for too little risk now, while it can be punished its not proportional to the guaranteed 35. The light seems to track if you dodged on sweep timing now as well, which seems to also take most your stamina. Thats probably the part I don't like. She has enough swift attacks now that the stamina damage finisher seems a little much, just let it wallsplat

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

Will try keep mine general as well because overall while she is now an assassin with crushing counter and bash mix-ups, thats not necessarily a bad thing. my only issue is the sweep & stamina damage on light finisher. The sweep is too much reward for too little risk now, while it can be punished its not proportional to the guaranteed 35. The light seems to track if you dodged on sweep timing now as well, which seems to also take most your stamina. Thats probably the part I don't like. She has enough swift attacks now that the stamina damage finisher seems a little much, just let it wallsplat

I agree the sweep should be lightly Nerfed. I don't have an issue with valk in general though. Most I fight are too aggressive.

[Sweaty_Sock]

I agree the sweep should be lightly Nerfed. I don't have an issue with valk in general though. Most I fight are too aggressive.

The nerf should be to one or the other, not both (light finisher or sweep) - I don't mind either way, and yes... LIGHT AS IN GENTLE nerf, not the ubi hammer.

[Siegfried-Z]

Will try keep mine general as well because overall while she is now an assassin with crushing counter and bash mix-ups, thats not necessarily a bad thing. my only issue is the sweep & stamina damage on light finisher. The sweep is too much reward for too little risk now, while it can be punished its not proportional to the guaranteed 35. The light seems to track if you dodged on sweep timing now as well, which seems to also take most your stamina. Thats probably the part I don't like. She has enough swift attacks now that the stamina damage finisher seems a little much, just let it wallsplat

Imo the sweep is currently in line with the intention of the devs to improve the overall risk/reward ratio.

Plus yes it is 35dmg punishable by a Dodge attack only and then i would agree it is too safe but only if it wasnt 100% dodgeable on reaction. Because it is. Thats nothing new, sweep has always be extremly easy to avoid in most cases at decent level.
With the last buff they only reduce the punish for using it but they let it the same bad moove.

And it balance the fact that her Shield Crush is also punishable in the same way for only a 13dmg light which is a very bad risk/reward ratio.

About the side light finisher, i agree the stam dmg is a bit too much. Considering it can also throw and stun. It could be reduce but then the dmg should be buff to 13 and 2nd light to 14.

[Siegfried-Z]

I agree the sweep should be lightly Nerfed. I don't have an issue with valk in general though. Most I fight are too aggressive.

The sweep has already been nerf 2 times.

During her rework when they made it sweeping ally which is very annoying in 4s.

And while they buff the recovery with the last buff they also nerf it because now revenge can be activated before the punish even if you got sweep before you got it.

Overall nerfing a heroe as Valk would be a very poor balancing decision considering she is very, very far to be S tier.

[Sweaty_Sock]

The sweep has already been nerf 2 times.

During her rework when they made it sweeping ally which is very annoying in 4s.

And while they buff the recovery with the last buff they also nerf it because now revenge can be activated before the punish even if you got sweep before you got it.

Overall nerfing a heroe as Valk would be a very poor balancing decision considering she is very, very far to be S tier.

She also now has Jorm friends in 4's.... and in terms of point 2, stating something couldnt be better because there are worse things isnt a solid argument.

EDIT: also neither point helps in duels where with a bunch of the roster you cant even punish

[Siegfried-Z]

She also now has Jorm friends in 4's.... and in terms of point 2, stating something couldnt be better because there are worse things isnt a solid argument.

EDIT: also neither point helps in duels where with a bunch of the roster you cant even punish

Well Jorme is Jorme and this heroe highlights a lot of issues in the game himself but it has nothing to do with Valk.

I gess you said this because of Valk sweep but her kit doesnt have to change because of a new heroe, the new heroe should better fit the game he join. So talking about Jorme here is pointless.

"In terms of point 2" part of your comment, not sure to understand what you are talking about but whatever.

I mainly talk 4s as i only play these mode. But even in duel it doesnt change the fact the her sweep is easy to react to.
Its the fault of people if they are not able to adapt and keep trying to GB her on a Dodge and then miss the chance to punish and start their combo.

Also most heroes are able to punish her sweep, only a very few cant. So its not a problem.

[Sweaty_Sock]

Well Jorme is Jorme and this heroe highlights a lot of issues in the game himself but it has nothing to do with Valk.

I gess you said this because of Valk sweep but her kit doesnt have to change because of a new heroe, the new heroe should better fit the game he join. So talking about Jorme here is pointless.

"In terms of point 2" part of your comment, not sure to understand what you are talking about but whatever.

I mainly talk 4s as i only play these mode. But even in duel it doesnt change the fact the her sweep is easy to react to.
Its the fault of people if they are not able to adapt and keep trying to GB her on a Dodge and then miss the chance to punish and start their combo.

Also most heroes are able to punish her sweep, only a very few cant. So its not a problem.

I know you waited a long time fore this one, but let me just say this - that sweep needs a damage nerf or a potential punish increase. Imagine if warden charged shoulder suddenly only had the same punish options - I am a rep 70 warden wanting warden nerfed since warden was reworked haha and THIS would make me lose my brain (moreso than usual). I want to earn my wins, not be handed them

[FuncK_D]

The sweep is too much reward for too little risk now, while it can be punished its not proportional to the guaranteed 35

Sweep is kinda a 4 input chain meme where other hero's accomplish the same damage by simply letting a single heavy opener fly. It's easier to screw up and let a 50dmg unblockable hit you if you think about it, especially in team fights where sweep isn't even a thing.

[Gaser.]

I know you waited a long time fore this one, but let me just say this - that sweep needs a damage nerf or a potential punish increase. Imagine if warden charged shoulder suddenly only had the same punish options - I am a rep 70 warden wanting warden nerfed since warden was reworked haha and THIS would make me lose my brain (moreso than usual). I want to earn my wins, not be handed them

Why so?

Valk needs to land two attacks first or hit you with a heavy cancel in to shield and then again sweep is pretty easy to react to.

I don’t see the reason for a dmg nerf when other hero simply need to land a heavy for it.

Also why punish increase, you can punish it with dodge attacks isn’t that enough for a attack that is slow and comes from a combo?