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Shinobi has NOT been "overnerfed". Still has huge damage output, still has the absolute ability to choose when and where to fight, and still has range far greater than ANY other hero by a significant margin. I'm sick of reading this. I lose most of my fights to decent shinobi players and never win any against good ones. That you used to win all the time and now you lose once in a while is not because of an overnerf, it was because you were overly dependent on overpowered mechanics.
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In which history book did you read that Shinobis were the best assassin? I won't accept Naruto as an answer, that's too accurate. Boruto, maybe? He would deserve one more nerf just because the stupid bs like this. Yes, they existed, yes, they sometimes killed people, but this entire idiocy with idiots in full black with shurrikens and kama is stupid, they dressed like normal people, and assassins in real life don't need fighting skills. If they are fighting back, you ****ed up already.
Saying that the shiobi is boring now, both as a character and as an opponent, is completely acceptable as a reason to make adjustments to him. However, I don't think he is weak at all, DKH is completely right, he was broken, he could be played relatively effectively even with unoptimal playstyles, so the people maining shinobi are struggling because they did not needed strong legs, and the clutches are gone. You have good optionselects, very solid damage with insane punishes, good spacing, with only the offense and health as drawbacks, shinobi is still a good character in strenght (and terrible in design). I don't know when they will rework shinobi, but I hope they will also remove the op parts with the buffs, as they rightfully did with centurion.
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While it’s not fun to fight those kind of players, you just need to know that not all shinobi’s play like that. As for “the character is cringe”, that’s your opinion, even though from my eyes it’s flawed to the extreme because it’s not cringe just because you don’t like it. And as for the range attacks, they are unviable as hell unless you bait your opponent.
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I actually took some lessons from a very good shinobi play, who plays him aggressively in dominion.Originally Posted by Buff_Shinobii Go to original post
It can work, has consistency issues but I’m playing offensively conq so I’m used to that.
I personally don’t find shinobi cringe, he just has a few anime jokes here and there and that’s fine.
I mean no one calls cents historically movie executions and his two staute emotes cringe or does someone do that? :P
This hole cringe debate really goes no where because everyone has different taste and views. :3
I personally see shinobis range attacks as a big problem, not because they hard to counter or anything.
I just believe there impossible to balance.
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I like Shinobi
Every hero has its pro / cons
Shinobi released with impossible moveset that destroyed every hero, when someone took the time to learn him.
Shinobi not have a counter? You call Shinobi nerfed? PFFT (pfft) lol OK lets see
He has 7 special counters + every other assains counters alongside them:
Double Dodge
Double Dodge Kick
Double Dodge LA
Double Dodge HA
2 Deflect Counters and 1 Parry Counter that bleed
Bleed Counters:
Teleport Kick
Teleport +LA
Shadow Strike
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5 Unblockables
Not listing them, but most are all chains ...... sign i know it hurts when a hero gets a billion hit combo and crys we been nerfed
Not 1 real unblockable on almost every assasian, only one i can think of is Shaman, and it has to be a finisher and performed from the Left Side ONLY, GG
Shinobi can be all over the place still, hmmm Maybe Shinobi should ALSO be locked to one sided attack finishers as well, really not fair to other assaians to be everywere AND attack from any direction.
Shinobi gets a Dodge + GB
and a Dodge + LA
Not many with a Dodge + GB except Raider, which i hear people crying in a shinobi thread all time, well so does Shinobi
25/30 dmg at assasian speeds
4 main chains
not listing them
Gaurented Lights and LA Combos
Shadow Dancer and Ghouls Rage
both can be worked into any combo and chains
Super Sprint ! like wtf !
KICKS
meaning TACKLE, anyone been tackled? I have. Sucks
Any move with the KICK symbole
There are 5 known kicks listed
For players that dont realy know, Kicks are a choice worked into shinobi moves, a player really doesnt know if the Shinobi will kick or attack, or flip or break lock or CHARGE
Shinobi gets Charge Move like conquer , except on a assasian that ealier demostrated it can tackle and break tackle at anytime during the tackle itself... WOW write that down, you migh not cry so much ....
Defense Reflex, now every assasian has this, its OP when someone can use it on the hero, and (IMHO) shinobi with the kicks and flips Shouldnt have Deflect,
just my 2 cents,moving on, WH? You mean there is more ?!?!?!?!
Yes, now quit yo btchn
You get your own Tactics Training that will fill you in on how to play the rest ontop of, everything i listed. If you asked me, what i listed sounded like every heros Tactics they get. STFU about Shinobi either not needing to be nerfed or is weak.
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means Learn to Play L2P, or can you. Rly, Get out of Town with crying about one the most powerful heros in this game i got to see, and thats before i watched the old Shinobi clips, like Whaaaa get over it, your hit at least once possibly twice now, before you either Win or something happened and you lost with Shinobi.
Oh while your in training please set AI to Shinobi level-3 im heading your *** now, reset console to end your pain mode, before doubting a word i said.
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This is true, but shinobi was designed to fight from a distance. Have you tried playing with him now in a gank, YOU WILL DIE BUDDY!
The only thing you can do with shinobi now is be the shinobi everybody hates. Hit and run/distance gaurdbreak. Even the backflip is trash, after you backflip you basically infront of your opponent even warden can rush you.
