Why not get rid of back roll all together? | Forums

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Just ignore him, he is too full of himself to have any point reacting to him.

By the way, I don't agree on removing backroll, it is nerfed significantly and the stamina cost is high, and it is a needed spacing tool in 4v4.

[Hormly]

"full millennial"

Ha I'm using this term

[DeamonXII]

and bamm warden will become more OP

[CRIMS0NM0NKEY]

I mainly play dominion. In Australia,most players treat dominion as skirmish,with zones treated as an afterthought. A good example is : We have no zones,I'll position myself in a zone(instead of mindlessly fighting the first person I see. I'll be fighting someone 1v1 and have the advantage. I notice 2 of my teammates rushing from behind me. Now I've played enough to know what's going to happen next. 9/10 times they come flailing in,eager for the kill. Usually I'll get hit from behind from my own teammate,they'll activate revenge and fight that would of been over in 5 seconds now turns into an unnecessary sh*tshow. All the while they still have the other 2 zones. 3 years later it's still very very common. I NEED backroll. Because now when I see this coming, I can back roll out, leave my 2 or 3 teammates to kill 1 person,and go get another zone , so we at least have a chance of winning. Also when someone tries to engage me in a fight outside a zone ( again this only applies when you only have 1 or 0 zones ) I can use the backroll to escape and get in a zone,then start fighting. To me, with no backroll, dominion would just be skirmish with zones as an afterthought. With less maps. BTW skirmish is my favorite mode,but no one plays it. Yet they play skirmish in dominion. It makes no sense to me. Skirmish has sooooo many more better maps. People.

I see your point. My query then is the flip side of what you need. Are these benefits that are negatives to your opposing balanced?

I bought this topic up because it is simply to difficult to force an engagement on a retreating enemy. While I believe an assassin should probably have the mobility some heavy, hybrids, and vanguards should not. Mind you my belief is merely my stance in this post as I'm still up in the air about the whole thing. I'm just creating a counter argument.
Why is it that heros have more of an ability to disengage than the ability to hunt/persue? Sure some heros can hunt well like Shamon but why can't the others track prey well? Shouldn't all heros have the ability to counter back roll if all heros have backroll?

[Tunatun]

kek wut? I main warden so yeah, back rolling is the only thing that will counter mind game of "what level of sb this warden will use?" roll back will deny lvl 1-3 sb. it's expensive, sure, but it's better to be safe than suffer sb-double tab-sb-double tap-sblvl2-double tap(even i hate that thing).

[ArchDukeInstinct]

Removing the back roll sounds like a terrible idea, if you're looking for less functionality you might want to stick with 2D fighting games or something. One of the key reasons why For Honor is unique as a fighting platform is because it offers a dynamic in which freedom of movement is a significant factor in close quarters.

Sounds like just a bunch of buzz words to me.

We need back roll to stay in as an easy way out of mixups because it offers a "dynamic"? Like what does that even mean?

For Honor isn't unique because it has a back roll movement option. That's ridiculous.

Also your inference that 2d fighting games automatically have less depth and somehow easier to play simply because it's not 3d is bizarre as well.

But if you're going to go "Full Millennial" on me, then I'll try to use a more saccharine analogy next time. In any case, I already disagreed with the idea of removing the back roll so I have nothing further to say on this topic.

Watch out! We got a boomer over here with a thesaurus.

[Haplo_Bane]

That's actually a really good idea CrimsonMonkey. It easily makes sense that an assassin can escape easier and a heavy pretty much has to stay. And also,of course an assassin should logically be better at nailing that escaping guy than the others (yea,that warden WILL get ya) It would also go a little way to giving the different classes their identity back. Noice.

[Valoredramack]

Sounds like just a bunch of buzz words to me.

We need back roll to stay in as an easy way out of mixups because it offers a "dynamic"? Like what does that even mean?

If you're having trouble with Tier 2 common core vocabulary then I suggest taking additional English classes because I haven't said anything that requires Tier 3 reading comprehension. I have already dumbed down my natural style of dialogue so that even most of the people on these forums can understand the points that I have been raising.

You are also also woefully mistaken in assuming that I am a Boomer. I am a Xenniel, which means that I born at the tail end of Generation X (Latchkey Kids) and at the cusp of Generation Y (Millennial). Having grown up with the Gen X mentality and culture, I am not so easily offended by disparagement from anonymous, faceless, online trolls. Being overly sensitive to ridicule is a well-known Millennial attribute as well as a symptom of "Category 5" narcissism.

In any case, my point that it makes no sense to remove the back roll; it's not even that effective for escape because as someone pointed out:

all heroes will simply catch you.

rolling in the game is useless

[ArchDukeInstinct]

If you're having trouble with Tier 2 common core vocabulary then I suggest taking additional English classes because I haven't said anything that requires Tier 3 reading comprehension. I have already dumbed down my natural style of dialogue so that even most of the people on these forums can understand the points that I have been raising.

Jeez Valored, all I can do in response to that is to thank you for enlightening us plebs on this forum with your quality insight. I know it can't be easy to look back and forth between your dollar store thesaurus and the typewriter while constantly adjusting your trifocals.

Having grown up with the Gen X mentality and culture, I am not so easily offended by disparagement from anonymous, faceless, online trolls. Being overly sensitive to ridicule is a well-known Millennial attribute as well as a symptom of "Category 5" narcissism.

Thanks for boomersplaining how anonymous, faceless, online trolls get under your skin, guy who is equally anonymous, faceless, and online.

In any case, my point that it makes no sense to remove the back roll; it's not even that effective for escape because as someone pointed out:

Actually, I would posit that something being ineffective would be a perfect reason to get rid of it.

[Goat_of_Vermund]

Am I really the only one who put him on the ignore list?