It's only because video gamers have so stunningly accepted such unfinished, broken "products" being sold to them that someone could even entertain the notion that Rising has been an honest, acceptable product. In any other industry/market, something like this would have been recalled if not outright sued into oblivion, and rightfully so.
Rising is getting towards releasable in a sense, but crapping out a massive downgrade and wrong-headed backward lurch in so many aspects is betrayal enough I wouldn't argue with someone going so far as to say "scam". Players bought this to get a certain game they were right to expect, and RL took their money not just without even trying to deliver that product, but going out of their way and actively sabotaging major features. Fusion moved Track Central forward and made it a bigger, better part of the game, as it ought to be. Rising deliberately shunted TC out of the "real game" in several ways, and that's on top of leaving it so unfinished and broken that it actively drove players out of the game entirely.
Personally, I put my money into Rising specifically for Track Central and the building community, so there isn't the slightest doubt I got scammed, because RL undermined TC and led builders not to build. I only got a fraction of the game I paid for, and RL's handling has been so willfully disastrous that it's always going to be a bargain bin shadow of what they should have been selling. TC will never recover. There'd be a chance for it, if RL got their heads in the right place and actually tried to make it something valuable, but there hasn't been the slightest sign of that kind of action, and the microtransaction content model pretty much puts that to bed (and shows why RL was not treating TC like added value from the start).
- I bought at release and the game was 50% off months before it was remotely functional. Scam.
- My partner bought later at one of the 50% marks, and the game doesn't work right, even though their system and hardware are the same, and patches have made it worse. Scam.
- RL put the game out as a full product and expansion pass, then waited months to reveal they intended to run the game on a mobile-style microtransaction content model. Scam.
The game getting less bad doesn't undo any of the above. It's less a scam now only because people know how little to expect for their money.
None of those bullet list items are scams, except possibly the one where you say the product doesn't work, and even then only if it's eligible for a refund and you haven't been able to get one.Originally Posted by TyrianMollusk Go to original post
All games get discounted.
Fusion added MTX long after release. Nobody should be surprised that Rising has paid expansions and MTX, and anyway there are articles at least a month before release talking about real money to buy acorns.
the Word: Scam is not fair
Definition of the word Scam:
A scam is a scam or theft, that is, obtaining something through a fraudulent scheme.
Example: By hacking into his data, George was the victim of an Internet scam.
Synonym: scam
English translation: rip-off
stop and thank you for using the right words........
Redlynx wanted to give everything to his Fans, but, they went too far, because technically incompetent.
"ideas on paper, that's good, but then you have to realize it technically"....and that's not good at all ( lack of skills)
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You see what I mean about gamers. Selling a product that doesn't work doesn't need special justification to maybe be a scam. Try selling cars that systematically don't work and tell people you might fix them later. The customers you fleece doing that will have a variety of words for your business model, during the brief time you operate.Originally Posted by Scruffy McGuffy Go to original post
Obviously, but getting discounted before the game actually works for the people who paid extra is not how "all games" work.All games get discounted.
I said mtx for content, as in levels and bikes, ie acorns for game play. This is a completely different model from the non-gameplay mtx already established, and obviously changes a lot about the game and its ecosystem. You might not consider switching to content mtx a scam, but I do, because it significantly changes the value of the product I paid for after the transaction, from information they withheld until they had my money.Fusion added MTX long after release. Nobody should be surprised that Rising has paid expansions and MTX, and anyway there are articles at least a month before release talking about real money to buy acorns.
People seem to forget that fraud means "deceiving for financial gain". Selling a product that doesn't work as though it were a functional product is deceiving for financial gain. So is selling a product before it works then lowering the price for later people who know how bad it is. So is changing the business model to change the value of the product after getting the money. RL/Ubi knowingly withheld information that would have led people (certainly me) to pay less for the game, and they did it to get more money from us. We have words for that.
I have almost no issues, especially nothing major so its not even close to being a scam or false marketing. Most everyone knows games go on sale quickly after release, just dont buy early. Jesus, the game is half the cost of most major releases anyway. If the game didnt work for anyone then its a scam. Doesnt work well on PS4 is seems but i'm guessing thats the systems fault.
If redlynx had purposely released the game knowing of all the flaws then you might be able to argue that they were trying to scam people, but that's not the case. If they had known about all these flaws then they would have tried to fix them prior to release because they were trying to make this game the best in the series and these flaws have hurt their profits dramatically. Lots of fans have since left because of it and redlynx are desperately trying to make up for it and improve the games performance, reviews and sales. They messed up in a few places its as simple as that but trying to scam us is just not even close. 4 years they have been working on this and I imagine they are very disappointed about the outcome at release which hasn't gone as planned and now they are being called scam artists..... Nice 👍
It is absolutely the case. It was released with an array of known and reported problems, and many more that would have been impossible to ignore during development (eg, Track Central uploads showing different difficulties than the tracks are set to). No doubt there were even more problems than the sorry half-baked turd they knew they were releasing, but it's chock full of obvious problems before you even get into subtleties and technical issues.Originally Posted by Smeghead89 Go to original post
And that doesn't even get into problems caused by willfully poor design, like the editor that deletes files, the blatantly unfinished nature of huge parts of the game, like every aspect of Track Central, or the clear fact that they have willfully sabotaged Track Central and actively drive players towards other parts of the game via various mechanisms.
It is just impossible to argue they didn't know about the game having major flaws and being unfinished. They did not try to make this the best in the series. They did not. When you try to make something good, it looks different from this. Very different. Rising oozes RL's lack of caring from every pore. Their poor effort is systemic, and I don't know how someone could even suggest "desperately trying to make up for it" given what we've seen so far. These lackadaisical, minor, often not even working patches are shameless and barely look like someone is even there trying to fix the game, which they often don't. Performance/playability on my partner's system has only gotten worse from updates so far.
Track Central was downright hostile to players with the disastrous difficulty problem. That's pretty darn easy to fix and ruins a whole side of the game. Anyone "desperately trying to make up for it" would have knocked that one down right away. They took months before they bothered, and the exact patch where they finally did anything to fix that, they broke the trending feed, stabbing a knife right in the heart of TC. Another super easy thing to fix, that's a major roadblock to using a whole section of the game. Anyone "desperately trying to make up for it" would have knocked that one down right away... Nope. Months go by, patches go by, and even something as simple as correcting the feed just gets left broken. Even though they are adding more feeds without patches! They clearly could have just added a new trending feed that actually worked while they got around to fixing the one that didn't. Finally, now, we have that back. Seven months to get trivial fixes for glaring but simple problems, and TC can finally move from actively broken to merely blatantly unfinished.
This is not what trying looks like. This is not even what caring looks like. And even if they did try and they did care, what they released and did to the series is wholly on them and was wrong to put in front of customers. Not accidentally wrong. Willfully wrong. They chose a course of burning early buyers. They chose a course of hemorrhaging players and bad reviews. No one could look at what they were working on and honestly think it was going to go differently. Pretending otherwise doesn't do anyone any favors, and it certainly doesn't get us a better Trials, if anyone at RL even actually wants that anymore outside their PR smoke-blowing.
It's great some people got enough of a functional product to be content, even positive. Companies love blind support and low standards. Doesn't change what I got for my purchases.