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[LightUpTheEyes]

Hey so I've been thinking about this and personally I think that any kind of bash should have to be committed to.
Characters like Lb, Bp, Warlord, Conq, Jorge, Cent, glad. They all have to commit to their bashes.

So my question is, why can Warden and Shaman cancel theirs?

Warden has 3 levels you have to guess from and especially since the escape nerf has become extremely good.

Shaman has crazy dmg off her bite and it's super easy to land by feinting it and just waiting for a dodge.

I think this should be looked into for sure. Balance purposes and all.

[iadvisoryi]

Hey so I've been thinking about this and personally I think that any kind of bash should have to be committed to.
Characters like Lb, Bp, Warlord, Conq, Jorge, Cent, glad. They all have to commit to their bashes.

So my question is, why can Warden and Shaman cancel theirs?

Warden has 3 levels you have to guess from and especially since the escape nerf has become extremely good.

Shaman has crazy dmg off her bite and it's super easy to land by feinting it and just waiting for a dodge.

I think this should be looked into for sure. Balance purposes and all.

They commit to their bashes but half of them are safe on whiff of their bashes... Shaman can be punished by gb on whiff. Shaman gets 50 after a bleed and that's if you let her. Jorg gets 50dmg when your oss and he has 4 stamina drains (party, gb, neutral, in chain), multiple cancels, ub faints, undodgeable lights.

Warden would drop in tier massively if his bash wasn't cancelable. Look at his kit, he doesn't have much to work off of.

Lb is a monster, conq is a monster, bp has mind games with his undodgeable heavy and stance, cent is trash slow, and glad has dodge bashes which can't really be baited.

Idk how in the world you want shaman and Warden essentially nerfed but your fine with characters like conq, and lb with his armored shove. Lb has more mix than assassin's now.

[LightUpTheEyes]

I want this in the name of balance my friend.

Jorge is bottom tier right now man (on PC anyway) so saying he has 50 dmg is meaningless.

Anyway, I'm not fine with Conq in general or lbs' shove armor. In fact, I'm in favor of no bashes being able to activate except from either forward dash or just holding back and pressing gb. Those should be the only ways to active it. That way we won't have the turtle bashes we have now.

I was just making this thread so the devs could be aware that being able to cancel a bash is unbalanced and should be looked at. That's all.

Edit: Oh and yeah, Warden is the best duelist in the game because of this so I do feel it needs toned down.

[iadvisoryi]

I want this in the name of balance my friend.

Jorge is bottom tier right now man (on PC anyway) so saying he has 50 dmg is meaningless.

Anyway, I'm not fine with Conq in general or lbs' shove armor. In fact, I'm in favor of no bashes being able to activate except from either forward dash or just holding back and pressing gb. Those should be the only ways to active it. That way we won't have the turtle bashes we have now.

I was just making this thread so the devs could be aware that being able to cancel a bash is unbalanced and should be looked at. That's all.

Edit: Oh and yeah, Warden is the best duelist in the game because of this so I do feel it needs toned down.

I understand that, on console jorg is basically cent when he first came out. Ridiculous.

I personally think no bash should be safe, they should all be gb punishable, or at least the dodge bashes and armored bashes.

[ArchDukeInstinct]

They commit to their bashes but half of them are safe on whiff of their bashes... Shaman can be punished by gb on whiff. Shaman gets 50 after a bleed and that's if you let her. Jorg gets 50dmg when your oss and he has 4 stamina drains (party, gb, neutral, in chain), multiple cancels, ub faints, undodgeable lights.

lol no they aren't. You are 100% able to dodge and GB Conqueror's shield bash on miss. That's not up for debate. Warlord has an even higher recovery time so you can definitely nab him as well. Centurion's kick is 100ms slower in the animation and I think have the same recovery time as Conqueror's shield bash (but I may be wrong on that).

I think that is only true for BP and LB. BP gets a free pass on everything so I won't comment further on him, LB's bash is 700ms so it shouldn't be easy to punish when it's already so easy to avoid on reaction to begin with.

Warden would drop in tier massively if his bash wasn't cancelable. Look at his kit, he doesn't have much to work off of.

Poor old Warden, he's only the number 1 class for duels. All he has is a completely unreactable mixup that he can start from a 400ms forward dodge, side dodge, or back dodge. He can then immediately follow up any successful mixup (charged bash, uncharged bash, feign into GB) with an unblockable top heavy for another 40 damage or cancel into another guard break for 30 damage. Meanwhile you're over here pretending like Warden is some poor underdog about to get snuffed out for good.

What's up with these forums where Conqueror gets all the complaints while Warden gets all the wins???

Lb is a monster, conq is a monster, bp has mind games with his undodgeable heavy and stance, cent is trash slow, and glad has dodge bashes which can't really be baited.

Idk how in the world you want shaman and Warden essentially nerfed but your fine with characters like conq, and lb with his armored shove. Lb has more mix than assassin's now.

Monsters compared to who? PK?

[iadvisoryi]

lol no they aren't. You are 100% able to dodge and GB Conqueror's shield bash on miss. That's not up for debate. Warlord has an even higher recovery time so you can definitely nab him as well. Centurion's kick is 100ms slower in the animation and I think have the same recovery time as Conqueror's shield bash (but I may be wrong on that).

I think that is only true for BP and LB. BP gets a free pass on everything so I won't comment further on him, LB's bash is 700ms so it shouldn't be easy to punish when it's already so easy to avoid on reaction to begin with.



Poor old Warden, he's only the number 1 class for duels. All he has is a completely unreactable mixup that he can start from a 400ms forward dodge, side dodge, or back dodge. He can then immediately follow up any successful mixup (charged bash, uncharged bash, feign into GB) with an unblockable top heavy for another 40 damage or cancel into another guard break for 30 damage. Meanwhile you're over here pretending like Warden is some poor underdog about to get snuffed out for good.

What's up with these forums where Conqueror gets all the complaints while Warden gets all the wins???



Monsters compared to who? PK?

I literally never said Warden wasn't strong but his sb is his only tool. There's other ways to nerf it/him without getting rid of all his cancels. He's also not played as much on console as he is on pc, but I'm sure he's not underrated.

Why do people like you think that just because one character is mentioned, means we don't know about others.

Take a harder look at the cast. Literally most bashes aren't punishable. I never said Conq's wasn't.

I think you should stop putting words in people's mouths.

And yeah warlord and conq are viable.. right

[ArchDukeInstinct]

I literally never said Warden wasn't strong but his sb is his only tool. There's other ways to nerf it/him without getting rid of all his cancels. He's also not played as much on console as he is on pc, but I'm sure he's not underrated.

You certainly inferred it. You still are with this whole "he's not played as much on console" Who cares how much he's played on console??? Conq is one of the least played characters in the game and he still gets crap for his bash all the time. He doesn't even get the damage or the amazing unblockable top heavy follow up that Warden does.

It's amazing that people still try to portray Warden as an underdog with no tools. He does more damage than almost everybody else, can combo into the top heavy unblockable at almost any time, can cancel that into a guard break and get 30 damage, has an actually effective roll catcher, 400ms attack from neutral with the zone that doesn't even count as a light parry, and by far the most versatile bash in the game.

Conq just trying to slowly eek out victories here and there with 13 damage lights risking 30+ damage every time and he's a monster according to you but Warden is over here at the top, and he's got no tools?

Why do people like you think that just because one character is mentioned, means we don't know about others.

Because you don't.

Take a harder look at the cast. Literally most bashes aren't punishable. I never said Conq's wasn't.

No they aren't. Get out of here with that nonsense.

I think you should stop putting words in people's mouths.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth, you just have terrible points.

And yeah warlord and conq are viable.. right

Aren't viable compared to who? Warden?

[iadvisoryi]

You certainly inferred it. You still are with this whole "he's not played as much on console" Who cares how much he's played on console??? Conq is one of the least played characters in the game and he still gets crap for his bash all the time. He doesn't even get the damage or the amazing unblockable top heavy follow up that Warden does.

It's amazing that people still try to portray Warden as an underdog with no tools. He does more damage than almost everybody else, can combo into the top heavy unblockable at almost any time, can cancel that into a guard break and get 30 damage, has an actually effective roll catcher, 400ms attack from neutral with the zone that doesn't even count as a light parry, and by far the most versatile bash in the game.

Conq just trying to slowly eek out victories here and there with 13 damage lights risking 30+ damage every time and he's a monster according to you but Warden is over here at the top, and he's got no tools?



Because you don't.



No they aren't. Get out of here with that nonsense.



I'm not putting any words in your mouth, you just have terrible points.



Aren't viable compared to who? Warden?

Your literally 90% salt 10% logic. If you could read properly in my first post on this thread you wouldn't feel the need to say half the stuff you did.

I'm not gonna bother creating any counter points because you've said the same thing twice in a row on this thread and repeat yourself multiple times on others, maybe don't be so hard headed?

Cya my guy

[ArchDukeInstinct]

Your literally 90% salt 10% logic. If you could read properly in my first post on this thread you wouldn't feel the need to say half the stuff you did.

I'm not gonna bother creating any counter points because you've said the same thing twice in a row on this thread and repeat yourself multiple times on others, maybe don't be so hard headed?

Cya my guy

Well maybe if you came up with valid counter arguments instead of saying "I didn't say [insert thing you actually did say], stop putting words in my mouth" that wouldn't happen.

As for "salt" all you do on these forums is complain about Jormungandr as if he's some kind of unstoppable killing machine when he's mediocre at best. Jormungandr? Unstoppable! LB??? More mixups than assassins! and Conq??? He's a monster! Warden? Oh **** this dude? He on the verge of losing everything, if we give even one meaningful nerf to his bash, he'll drop into C Tier!

What the hell is that, dude?

[LightUpTheEyes]

Warden is no longer the best duelist Raider and Berserker are better rn

Well, that's kind of subjective. Even when I say Wardens' the best, that's just to me. I know people who don't have a single issue with him. I don't have any issues fighting against Raiders or Zerkers. Warden though, man. I've always struggled against him and thought he was too easy and safe to play as. This is mainly because both Raider and Zerker have to throw out attacks, while Warden can just use his Sb repeatedly to bait you for reactions with no consequences. Now since there is no other counters to bashes (unless you're Bp) besides dodging, if you make a single mistake you are now gonna eat 18-40dmg. If you can guess him right, he can cancel anywhere within that bash making it so all you can do is reset and cry.

I just think that the fact that he's able to do that is ultimately unbalanced and the devs should look into removing the cancel. Not just from him, but anyone that can cancel a bash. Only unless they give us another way besides dodging to counter a bash, which I don't see happening.