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[Helgerd123]

Destiny wasn't that way at launch, or was Destiny 2 .. it took them over a year to start getting things back into shape (even longer in D1 with the release of Taken King) ... division is just now hitting six months. This is an apples and oranges comparison.

You should stop this outright. This game didn't pop out of nowhere developed by indie team as their first attempt to make video games. It was developed as successor of previous part by the same developer backed by almost unlimited money of big game publisher and was portrait as "Lessons were learned we would like to reset initial bad impression and make it good game with initial good impression". And now people come talking "it is only XXX month old". Truth is - XXX in this motot is raising while improvements are yet remain to be seen. And that doesn't include the fact that product should be shipped developed instead of beta-testing on customers.

[riffgod]

The thing is that you don't need to wait 6 months or over a year to have good communication; that's something that you can have even before a game releases.

Don't disagree that the communication can be better; and that you shouldn't have to wait to get it. But the post is comparing Destiny to Division ... in which Destiny took a very long time to get it right. And if you use that as a reference, then division being only six months old would be a leaps and bounds ahead of Destiny at the same point in their launch timeline. Hence, apples and oranges.

I am personally rooting for the division team to make this happen, as I really do feel like the game as tremendous amount of potential. The primary issue in my opinion, is that the core issue with the game revolves around the RNG / Looting, which is quite literally at the core of the game and touches almost every aspect. A solution for this is not easy nor quick, and the community needs to adjust their exceptions for this accordingly. Destiny 2 launched with absolutely **** gear and weapons, and it took them almost a year to come up with a solution that was really what the community wanted .. first they started with Masterworks, which did not work (especially from a grinding perspective) ... then they finally brought back randomized rolls and things started getting better. For this reason, I believe the Division Team is being very careful in promising or discussing the topic because they don't want to be in the same position of promising something that really didn't work or was really well thought out (aka masterworks).

[DarkKnight27us]

I would love to read something from Terry Spier about the flaws of PvP and the dark zones in TD2. His vision, his solutions and plans to overcome these issues surrounding the DZ and PvP. I think the community will be very understanding if we get a breakdown of how they are addressing these issues.

I wouldn't. If that guy had his way all the best loot would be hard locked behind the DZ and the rogues would be able to spawn camp a single entrance to the DZ. The entire Red Storm dev team comes across as a bunch of toxic players who just want to create the most toxic PvP environment they can think of. They would destroy the game if they were left to do it on their own.

[YodaMan 3D]

I wouldn't. If that guy had his way all the best loot would be hard locked behind the DZ and the rogues would be able to spawn camp a single entrance to the DZ. The entire Red Storm dev team comes across as a bunch of toxic players who just want to create the most toxic PvP environment they can think of. They would destroy the game if they were left to do it on their own.

A lot like the Devs behind the Raid and their locked content.

[DeMizeFPS]

I think part of the issue is their player base is larger then their vision. Like in TD, their vision was all about the DZ and players ganking other players. They ignored those that wasn't in the DZ and their response was if you don't like the DZ then this isn't the game for you. They never advertised that they had a narrow vision of what they expected the players to do. In TD2, it seems more guided by PvE and Raids. They don't want to say if you aren't part of that you can leave now and thanks for the money. Instead if they are silent and just let their fans fight it out, they'll reward the winner in the next sequel and they aren't taking sides, they are just following their vision. They hear what they want to hear and ignore what they don't.

You might be right...

Destiny wasn't that way at launch, or was Destiny 2 .. it took them over a year to start getting things back into shape (even longer in D1 with the release of Taken King) ... division is just now hitting six months. This is an apples and oranges comparison.

No, it's not. Both games suffer the same issues with End Game RPG, Content droughts, Gear acquisition, etc but that's not the point of this discussion. The point is communication. Bungie is making the attempt to be transparent with their community. I see Bungie's community managers always interacting and memeing with their community across Reddit, Twitter. Management and the community team for the division are still keeping us in the dark. They hardly interact with us at all. Our community managers Amper and Johan don't even interact with us on the forum anymore. Amper will interact with you on his Friday stream. Sometimes Terry will pop in. They just post announcements and news on the forum. Where's Petter? Hamish and Yannick aren't even community developers anymore. They are just "content specialist" Chris Gansler is somewhat active on Reddit. Fredrik and Realdude are the only ones that are always interacting with the community over issues. I have mad respect for RealDude for being active on this forum and asking questions to keep the discussions going. Even though, some of his questions can be ridiculous. He's doing his job and He only can do so much. I think CM Alien is filling in for someone. In my opinion, the community side of things is severely lacking. Communication can be 100% better if they put any effort into it.

[DarkKnight27us]

You might be right...



No, it's not. Both games suffer the same issues with End Game RPG, Content droughts, Gear acquisition, etc but that's not the point of this discussion. The point is communication. Bungie is making the attempt to be transparent with their community. I see Bungie's community managers always interacting and memeing with their community across Reddit, Twitter. Management and the community team for the division are still keeping us in the dark. They hardly interact with us at all. Our community managers Amper and Johan don't even interact with us on the forum anymore. Amper will interact with you on his Friday stream. Sometimes Terry will pop in. They just post announcements and news on the forum. Where's Petter? Hamish and Yannick aren't even community developers anymore. They are just "content specialist" Chris Gansler is somewhat active on Reddit. Fredrik and Realdude are the only ones that are always interacting with the community over issues. I have mad respect for RealDude for being active on this forum and asking questions to keep the discussions going. Even though, some of his questions can be ridiculous. He's doing his job and He only can do so much. I think CM Alien is filling in for someone. In my opinion, the community side of things is severely lacking. Communication can be 100% better if they put any effort into it.

Another game to look at for amazing community engagement (and I do mean AMAZING) is Warframe. They have some of the best constant community engagement I've ever seen.

[DarkKnight27us]

A lot like the Devs behind the Raid and their locked content.

Are you still on about the raid? Have you been able to name one game that doesn't have rewards for a raid exclusive to that raid yet?

If not... you really need to stop bringing this up.

[F.i.x.e.r]

You might be right...



No, it's not. Both games suffer the same issues with End Game RPG, Content droughts, Gear acquisition, etc but that's not the point of this discussion. The point is communication. Bungie is making the attempt to be transparent with their community. I see Bungie's community managers always interacting and memeing with their community across Reddit, Twitter. Management and the community team for the division are still keeping us in the dark. They hardly interact with us at all. Our community managers Amper and Johan don't even interact with us on the forum anymore. Amper will interact with you on his Friday stream. Sometimes Terry will pop in. They just post announcements and news on the forum. Where's Petter? Hamish and Yannick aren't even community developers anymore. They are just "content specialist" Chris Gansler is somewhat active on Reddit. Fredrik and Realdude are the only ones that are always interacting with the community over issues. I have mad respect for RealDude for being active on this forum and asking questions to keep the discussions going. Even though, some of his questions can be ridiculous. He's doing his job and He only can do so much. I think CM Alien is filling in for someone. In my opinion, the community side of things is severely lacking. Communication can be 100% better if they put any effort into it.

They (Bungie) have definitely improved their communications with their player base I'll give you that, but today I dropped TD2 and spent a day on Destiny 2 and quite honestly it didn't turn me on too much. They are in the middle of a solstice event right now that is a change from the rest of the game and they have raised the level cap, but outside of that it is the same as when I left it at the release of the forges.

[YodaMan 3D]

Are you still on about the raid? Have you been able to name one game that doesn't have rewards for a raid exclusive to that raid yet?

If not... you really need to stop bringing this up.

You still haven't shown me the Rulebook On Raids, that states that Ubi and Massive has to lock content. So when you accept that Ubi and Massive don't have to follow your made up rules. Then we can move on.

[DeMizeFPS]

Another game to look at for amazing community engagement (and I do mean AMAZING) is Warframe. They have some of the best constant community engagement I've ever seen.

Digital Extremes is a great indie studio. Their community team is awesome! The fact that an indie studio has a better community engagement than AAA company is beyond me.

They (Bungie) have definitely improved their communications with their player base I'll give you that, but today I dropped TD2 and spent a day on Destiny 2 and quite honestly it didn't turn me on too much. They are in the middle of a solstice event right now that is a change from the rest of the game and they have raised the level cap, but outside of that it is the same as when I left it at the release of the forges.

I disagree with your notion that the season of opulence is like Black Armory. Menagerie and Corrow of Sorrow Raid are great activities. Menagerie is one of the best activities that was implemented in a looter shooter. You should really try out the new activities. Gambit Prime is fun. If you like the whisper mission, you will like zero hour. I am overwhelmed with activities to do in a week.(daily and weekly challenges/bounties, farming for god roll weapons for PvE and PVP, raids, master working my gear. I am still hunting for raid exclusive exotics. There is so much to do. I like the grind. I get it. Destiny 2 isn't for everyone. Shadowkeep will change everything. The Season of Opulence is by far the best season of year 2.


Back to the topic.

Would you guys like to have an exposition from leadership about acknowledging the issues, their plans to address those issues and the path forward?