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So your guys' idea of "more-in-line" with other heroes is giving hero 0 openers and making her a light spammer? The current state of the game is all about bashes, 50/50's, and mix-ups, but all Nobushi has now is her lights. Against a half decent player, she's absolutely useless and has nothing. While there are characters like Orochi not being touched at all besides making them faster, when they need an actual opener, like the rest of the characters in the game. If a character doesn't have a move that forces their opponent to make a move, they are absolutely useless and below F tier. That's really all Nobushi and other heroes with no openers are. To sum it up: it's a blatant lie that she was changed to "be more in-line with other heroes in the current state of the game" because she has no opener, her kick can be GB'd on reaction while Valks sweep cannot, and she has 0 pressure tools and 0 counter attack tools now since he side winder was made practically useless and extremely situational.

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plus, BP can't be punished for his bash, Jorg can't be punished for her bash, LB can't be punished for his bash.. it goes on and on.. but Nobu is punished for her kick? How is that "more-in-line with other heroes".. like seriously.. come on

[Knight_Raime]

plus, BP can't be punished for his bash, Jorg can't be punished for her bash, LB can't be punished for his bash.. it goes on and on.. but Nobu is punished for her kick? How is that "more-in-line with other heroes".. like seriously.. come on

Both black priors bash and jorge's bash are punishable on reaction with dodge attacks that are 800ms or faster. It's dodge into GB that requires a read.

[KitingFatKidsEZ]

Im pretty sure you can still reaction dodge gb punish sweep. The timing is just super tight. Might depend on wether its delayed or not. Would be interesting to get freeze to check it out.
I do like the idea of safe offense though as i already mentioned in the bp feedback thread. Somewhat reactable (like a 500ms bash, maybe 466) safe offense at low damage would have been a much healthier course for the game than giving everyone hyperarmor and i hope the guys who designed that understand why that is. The fact that the only viable safe offense any character can theoretically have against hyperarmor characters only comes from bashes is kinda bad for the game overall since it just undermines the whole guard mechanic and as a result a fairly relevant part of the game.

anyway @topic
I would like the change to hidden stance light in theory (in the patchnotes it said indicator hidden for 200 ms which should make it consistently around 300ms not 400 since they also changed light speed) but as far as i see the entire mixup is avoidable by backdodging since she cant gb out of HS so its always safe. Thats the problem.
The movement speed changes really helped Nobu, shes always been a character with good range but was never able to play footsies due to how much faster everyone else was. Now she can.
Theres obviously other reasons shes worse off in 1v1 right now overall.

Really not getting the damage nerf either since raider is a thing that exists sooo??

[Knight_Raime]

Im pretty sure you can still reaction dodge gb punish sweep. The timing is just super tight. Might depend on wether its delayed or not. Would be interesting to get freeze to check it out.
I do like the idea of safe offense though as i already mentioned in the bp feedback thread. Somewhat reactable (like a 500ms bash, maybe 466) safe offense at low damage would have been a much healthier course for the game than giving everyone hyperarmor and i hope the guys who designed that understand why that is. The fact that the only viable safe offense any character can theoretically have against hyperarmor characters only comes from bashes is kinda bad for the game overall since it just undermines the whole guard mechanic and as a result a fairly relevant part of the game.

anyway @topic
I would like the change to hidden stance light in theory (in the patchnotes it said indicator hidden for 200 ms which should make it consistently around 300ms not 400 since they also changed light speed) but as far as i see the entire mixup is avoidable by backdodging since she cant gb out of HS so its always safe. Thats the problem.
The movement speed changes really helped Nobu, shes always been a character with good range but was never able to play footsies due to how much faster everyone else was. Now she can.
Theres obviously other reasons shes worse off in 1v1 right now overall.

Really not getting the damage nerf either since raider is a thing that exists sooo??

It's not so much the damage values themselves but the context of said damage sources. Raider getting a 50 damage punish on someone who misreads the mix up and eats the comboed zone is fine. Nobushi's hidden stance attacks are treated by the comp players as dodge attacks. And those dodge attacks had damage level punishes of hard hitting mix ups and some decent max punishes.

It's a similar situation to Shinobi. None of his damage values are abnormal in the context of what other heros are capable of dealing. But the fact that he can interrupt you with double light with a heavy parries worth of damage is absurd. Or that any parry for him is a light parries worth of damage. And any deflect is essentially a max punish worth of damage.

That's how i've had it explained to me anyway. I hope that I wasn't too confusing.

[KitingFatKidsEZ]

It's not so much the damage values themselves but the context of said damage sources. Raider getting a 50 damage punish on someone who misreads the mix up and eats the comboed zone is fine. Nobushi's hidden stance attacks are treated by the comp players as dodge attacks. And those dodge attacks had damage level punishes of hard hitting mix ups and some decent max punishes.

I see.

That definitely makes some degree of sense. Along those lines i still think there should be a "damage tax" attached to armored attacks since those also have increased value due to being armored especially in 2s and 4s (i.e. not interruptable by the common aoe zones and heavies thrown around). Maybe its just me. Not much of a 4s player.

[Knight_Raime]

I see.

That definitely makes some degree of sense. Along those lines i still think there should be a "damage tax" attached to armored attacks since those also have increased value due to being armored especially in 2s and 4s (i.e. not interruptable by the common aoe zones and heavies thrown around). Maybe its just me. Not much of a 4s player.

I'm still learning the ropes of 4's myself. Was primarily a duelist until about season 8-9.
Can you elaborate what you are meaning by damage tax?

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lmfao my replies to this were deleted bcuz i called ubi out on thier BS. wow

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ok never mind now i look ******ed it just wasnt loading even tho i refreshed like 5 times oh no oh no oh no

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yeah bcuz every single character has a dodge attack. have you even played this game before?