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    Thats why Experienced Pilots here idle their engines before they get near the enemy..most times the enemy will lose track of you and you can sneak up on him because you are running silent. You don't need power until after you begin to fire..you'll be close to compression speed from the dive as is.

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    I don't know if you guys know much about cockpits...but they aren't exactly air tight, i.e. air gets in and so does sound. In real life you Can Hear another plane in your area, even over the sound of your own engine. You can even hear when that plane fires it's guns, and you can d*mn sure hear when you get hit. This topic is really silly IMHO. Most of the attackers that got 50m behind their prey came from above swooping down idle..you don't need power in a dive from the high six. Like I said before, EXPERIENCE teaches. Idle your engine and he can't hear or see you, Power up after your pass. Not really rocket science.

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    Recon_609IAP wrote:
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    - A squadmate and I were laughing that we could hear
    - fire below us at 3000m
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    - Shouldn't hear this stuff imo.
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    - Edit: Blue Devil - where you get this information
    - from?
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    - Everything I read says they didn't know they had an
    - aircraft behind them until lead is filling their
    - aircraft!!!
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    - 609IAP_Recon
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    Common knowledge m8. Most sound is drowned out by the engine of your fighter in real life, it gets to the point where your sense of hearing is null so you ignore it...however gunfire, strikes on your plane, and another engine in proximity are not. Believe me when a P-47 fired it's guns everything within a mile Plus knew about it. Even the double wasp was drowned out by the sound. I agree that hearing another engine while say he is on the Deck and you are at 25,000ft is a bit unrealistic, however hearing him within 20-30m is not. Most pilots that were taken by surprise were sitting fat dumb and happy. I suppose it depended on what engine you had yourself, the Mustang was notoriously loud for it's pilots.

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    tagert wrote:.
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    - Too bad you dont have REAL EXPERIENCE with regards
    - to sound in the cockpit with another AC on your six.
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    Man unless you are 75-80 some odd years old neither do you. =0) If you are going to try and throw something in someone's face at least have experience in that area yourself. I was actually talking about in game experience when I was talking about idling during the bounce. Plain and simple you don't need power for the bounce if done correctly. The engine noise has been in IL2 since the old days. We counter that by idling the engine to achieve surprise. Read a post before you reply with sarcasim.


    P.S. Continued trolling only makes you look bad, it doesn't irritate anyone.

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  5. #5
    Man you are a supreme troll. Quote all you want..it means nothing when you post it out of the context in which it was used. You put three of my posts together to prove your point and then talk about throwing it "In my Face." The mere fact that you were out to do that proves your level of maturity is sub-standard. In your mind you will chalk it up to a victory...hey glad I could build up your self-esteem. On a serious note, Children like you get posts locked. This will be my Final post in this thread. At some point everyone has to show integrity, now is my time. I don't know everything this is true, but the beauty of being human is the ability to learn from mistakes/misinformation/myth vs, truth. I'll have to ask Monroe about what he heard in his cockpit over the course of the war being that he flew both Thunderbolts and Mustangs. We can speculate all we want being that we weren't there, I guess to settle this for myself I will ask someone that was there themself.

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  6. #6
    I'll add to this discussion with this... I have noticed this 'hear all ear' also. Just flying in very loose formation, and panning around with your mouse will show the size of the flaw as every detail of the outside world is audible over your engine (and through the circumaural close headphones on the pilot too!) It is not uncommon for me to hear my team mates online starting their engines (TICK!) from 3 or 4 kilometers away sometimes.

    However, when I enable my EAX audio and configure it as directed in the readme file, the 'hear all' effect seems greatly reduced. The cockpit environment audio effects seems to drown out most of the outside world pretty well, even some gunfire is tough to hear (not my own of course). This may be different with other sound cards, though.

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  7. #7
    Guys - as long as there are separate volume adjustments for internal and external noise this is going to be a problem. Best op would be to make audio settings part of the server setup.

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