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[Sweaty_Sock]

Vakris, the problem is monkey see monkey do, these cheap tactics seep into the non competitive environment and allow the few to wreck the game for the many.

[David_gorda]

Its just to much cheese in this game, today i fought a noobushi in dominion that unlocked everytime he did his zone attack so i coudlnt parry him.

[illya_02]

Have you played in a dominion tournament, then? (serious question)

I mean sure, if money's on the line, you'll do anything to win. In this case it's the unlock tech, unlock rolling, fleeing, kiting etc.
But this is exactly what's wrong with the game. These things are so cheap to do and ruin immersion. In what kind of world would running back and forth from your enemy be a good idea?

I also don't like the titles they give themselves. How do you even decide you're a high level player or are the best at a certain character? There is no 'actual' competitive side in For Honor except for the ranked duels. It's just a side the community created, I mean they've got an own Subreddit. I'm just not fond of the 'elitists' acting as if they're better than everyone else because they called themselves a high level player.

I've managed to get to "Master" rank in duels with a rep 3 Nuxia in season 8 yet you don't see me parading around calling myself a top tier player and if I do it's usually sarcastic or to prove that I'm not a "noob".

I'm not saying the competitive side is like that, but darn there are sure many elitists, but that's the case with every multiplayer game. It's just the tactics that are used that disgust me. Hope Ubi does something about the unlock tech and kiting. They're so cheap to do.

EDIT: I don't have any hate towards the people in the video or the comp. players. They're just playing as safely as possible to get that W (and the $$$$). I'm just disappointed the "competitive" side looks like this.

I actually really like most of Craic's vids and am a subscriber, but darn this was a bit of a letdown. I was hoping the comp. side didn't look like this.

Remember way back when Spliced showed the world how to kite as lawbringer? Yeah, that was received well... *cough*
It's basically just exploiting a tech and I can only imagine how frustrating it would be facing someone like that.

You have to stop thinking about honor and immersion when competitive play is being discussed? Also,who gave you the right to say this game doesn't have a competitive scene?
Have you speed a speedrun?Do you see people run the game in fun ways for the viewers? You do realize that goldeneye for the n64 is run completely facing down for extra frames to shave off a few milliseconds which makes the viewing experience complete dog sh*t.

Nobody has to be bound by honor or immersion.The end goal is to win in a competitive environment,and that's what these players do.The only reason they also seem elitist is because they've been given flack and not taken seriously for two years.

[Siegfried-Z]

What I think is a bit sad is that you are completely ignorant of how the game is played at this level and the reasons why it is played like this. But instead of being inquisitive about something that is foreign to you, you come at it with a closed mind and a derogatory attitude by default.

Perhaps I can help enlighten you? What specifically do you find "abusive" about the plays you are seeing in Zer0_craic's video?

I and others only share our feelings about how painfull this pro Dom was to watch. Not all Zero craic vid, this match.

It doesnt mean i came into this close minded or inquisitive. I just share what i think about it and look like others players mostly felt the same.

I am not speaking about why it is played like this. As i said in my OP i know this is a must do as a strategy.
I like myself to play smartly. I roll sometimes etc. This is not the point.

My point is this is pretty sad to see a top level player doing a staring contest 70% of the times. Thats pretty much all.

I dont care why, it is just boring as hell to watch this.

Plus, every one is free to have their own opinion and this topic is pretty subjective.

And imo this is an ugly gameplay.

[rottmeister]

You have to stop thinking about honor and immersion when competitive play is being discussed? Also,who gave you the right to say this game doesn't have a competitive scene?
Have you speed a speedrun?Do you see people run the game in fun ways for the viewers? You do realize that goldeneye for the n64 is run completely facing down for extra frames to shave off a few milliseconds which makes the viewing experience complete dog sh*t.

Nobody has to be bound by honor or immersion.The end goal is to win in a competitive environment,and that's what these players do.The only reason they also seem elitist is because they've been given flack and not taken seriously for two years.

EDIT
This response came off pretty rude so I'm deleting it.

I'm not bashing the comp. scene, I'm bashing unlock tech and kiting

[Knight_Raime]

So first..I have to ask what is exactly the point of this thread?
I've read over the replies in their entirety and I get mixed messages. The first page or two paints the image of bashing on the comp community.
Where as the third page ya'll change your tune and explain you dislike how the game is like this at it's peak. So which is it?

@Rotmister...

It is either stated at the beginning of the video or in the video description. But these guys are from all over the world. This creates connection differences for them. Best example would be on the highfort match where Craic got trashed by the shaman who kept getting bites on him. That wasn't Craic messing up. That was him being screwed by connection. If you've watched other videos from Craic you'd know he's very competent about dealing with soft feints. Secondly, just because players at that level are capable of parrying pretty much anything on reaction DOESN'T mean they do.
I don't know what world you live in but it's stuff like this that really goes to show people's ill conceived view of top level play. They're not parry happy. They only do so if they really need to. Target swapping is the vary basis of getting damage in in 4's. Maybe in standard dominion people are capable of getting raw hits consistently enough where you only need to target swap mix ups. But in high level play target swapping is really the only way you're going to land consistent damage or to actually bait someone into attempting to do something besides blocking.


@Sigfried...

What is "sad" is that people give a hard time to top level players. You all act like they're responsible for the game being this way. You act as if they're any less of a player and even cast doubt upon their capabilities just because they take advantage of how the game allows them to play. It's all fine and dandy to not be a fan of the specific things happening here. You can bet your arse that top level players don't enjoy this either. But the difference between you and them is they don't have the luxury of ignoring the tech. They have to use the tools they're given or they can't compete against players who will. You should be riding the developers arses about this. Not competitive players.


If anyone here is qualified to actually speak on their behalf it is Vakris. He regularly fights people at that level and has actually started participating in dominion skrims. He's been in games with people like Craic. Whatever I might understand about the competitive scene is nothing compared to Vakris because he actually lives it. These players play this way for a reason. These players are amongst the best players in the game. And attempting to do anything that discredits their gameplay or themselves is a disservice to them and it doesn't make the game better. These are the people who find problems and exploits and bring them to light for the devs. These are the players who attempt to share information to help others improve their gameplay.

They don't deserve to be looked down upon at all. And it's that kind of crud that causes problems between the different parts of the community.

[rottmeister]

So first..I have to ask what is exactly the point of this thread?
I've read over the replies in their entirety and I get mixed messages. The first page or two paints the image of bashing on the comp community.
Where as the third page ya'll change your tune and explain you dislike how the game is like this at it's peak. So which is it?

@Rotmister...

It is either stated at the beginning of the video or in the video description. But these guys are from all over the world. This creates connection differences for them. Best example would be on the highfort match where Craic got trashed by the shaman who kept getting bites on him. That wasn't Craic messing up. That was him being screwed by connection. If you've watched other videos from Craic you'd know he's very competent about dealing with soft feints. Secondly, just because players at that level are capable of parrying pretty much anything on reaction DOESN'T mean they do.
I don't know what world you live in but it's stuff like this that really goes to show people's ill conceived view of top level play. They're not parry happy. They only do so if they really need to. Target swapping is the vary basis of getting damage in in 4's. Maybe in standard dominion people are capable of getting raw hits consistently enough where you only need to target swap mix ups. But in high level play target swapping is really the only way you're going to land consistent damage or to actually bait someone into attempting to do something besides blocking.

Fair enough on target swapping, but what about unlock tech and kiting is that healthy for the game? I honestly don't think they are and unlock rolls should be nerfed.
I've been pretty rude even though it was mostly me just being sassy. Didn't know there was this huge latency issue.

[Knight_Raime]

Fair enough on target swapping, but what about unlock tech and kiting is that healthy for the game? I honestly don't think they are and unlock rolls should be nerfed.
I've been pretty rude even though it was mostly me just being sassy. Didn't know there was this huge latency issue.

Care to point out some unlock tech that happened in the video? I watched it yesterday. And the kiting is indeed a big problem with 4's. But that's more on map design rather than some mechanical problem like it is in duels. Everyone wants unlock rolls nerfed even the competitive players. Yes I don't recall their individual locations. But I do know that the big names most people are familiar with do not live in the same areas. They are indeed dealing with connections from other countries.

[LightUpTheEyes]

@Knight_Raime
https://youtu.be/J6OlDsvuZkQ

What baxtyr is talking about in this video and teaching people is not healthy for the game in my opinion.

I'm not taking away any sort of skill from these people, but Ubi needs to address this sort of thing. It's just unhealthy for the game when exploits remain like all of this.

Only way I can think of to combat tech like this is to give a designated switch target button and give a player a delay when unlocking, or a weapon sheath animation or something. But I guess that wouldn't stop the whole target switching thing making moves unblockable and unparryable.

[Knight_Raime]

@Knight_Raime
https://youtu.be/J6OlDsvuZkQ

What baxtyr is talking about in this video and teaching people is not healthy for the game in my opinion.

I'm not taking away any sort of skill from these people, but Ubi needs to address this sort of thing. It's just unhealthy for the game when exploits remain like all of this.

Only way I can think of to combat tech like this is to give a designated switch target button and give a player a delay when unlocking, or a weapon sheath animation or something. But I guess that wouldn't stop the whole target switching thing making moves unblockable and unparryable.

So to clarify you're specifically against using a tech that allows you to attack someone you normally couldn't target?

Or are you against the fact that target swapping can make things unparryable?