Raider should NOT have soft feint into GB | Forums

[Saltreaver]

You sound like a Raider main or someone that regularly plays him to get EZ kills. Raider is not ok. He was already viable before the rework maybe needed his tap being 400 ms but his current state is waay over the top. HA on his heavy chain forces u to turtle. His damage is waay to much animations are weird and broken... He will get a nerf one way or the other

Getting countered most of the time, even those lights you guys whine about (seriously its 500 ms like any other )getting parried. The only thing that gets through sometimrs are the baited HA heavies. Which part of that sounds like EZ win??

[Goat_of_Vermund]

He spoke about the stunning tap, which is not 500 ms, mm. Sounds like you don't even know your character.

[Siegfried-Z]

Getting countered most of the time, even those lights you guys whine about (seriously its 500 ms like any other )getting parried. The only thing that gets through sometimrs are the baited HA heavies. Which part of that sounds like EZ win??

Some complaints arent justified on this forum. This is 100% true.
But Raider ones are not among them.

Saying how playing Raider sounds like EZ wins is as Hypocritical as possible.

Raider IS the Ez pick. Before rework i was rep1 with him. I've spend 2 reps on him after rework.

Tell how i was able to beat Diamond/Master level player with him with their rep 70 heroes while i was rep 2/3 ?
Or how i got some 19-1 score in 4v4 ?

His ST is delayble to 333ms... with a difference between pure speed and indicator. This is literally a nightmare.
His dammage are crazy high .
His 500ms lights after a ST are unreactable as you are blind (at least on console and for most PC players who arent playing with 140fps).

Any player can pick Raider and deals with players 2 rank above them..

Raider power is clearly above the pack.. one 333ms ST and you are on troubles for the whole fight against a good Raider. Common stop playing him and came back saying how fine he is.

[Saltreaver]

Common stop playing him and came back saying how fine he is.

I play with other heroes too and i don't have problems beating Raider players with them. The lowbies (rep 1-3) are no prob at all, but i had the pleasure of beating rep 70 ones too in domi but these were all 1v1 anyway. I'm a slightly above average player so i really can't take these posts of you guys seriously at all. But hey soon the new viking hero will come then i will dump Raider and i can bash in your heads with him so i can read about your cries here later.

[Lukettle]

I agree, also mentioned it once myself. Soft-feint guard break on his unblockable should not be a thing. Its not even a 50:50 anymore (and those are cancer in my opinion) more like 20:80 in raiders favor. You can try parry the incoming massive damage and get soft-feint tapped and blinded or guard broken which is even worse from raider, you can try parry/block the 400ms soft-feinted tap and guess wrong, getting hit with his mega damage unblockable, guardbroken if you attempted parry or if you blocked, nothing happens as you either blocked or counterguardbroke his guard break, he doesn't get punished. If you dodge well, again, he can always end up soft-feinting into guard break and winning, or he can just end up canceling the whole thing with normal feint and parry your dodge attack if you tried. Yes you can end up parrying his unblockable and getting LIGHT ATTACK for "winning" that 20:80 assault or heavy attack if you parry the generally unreactable 400ms feinted tap that you gotta predict trough gamble and win that gamble. Yeah yeah, you can sometimes "win" it, but its too unfair as the odds are too much in his favor in this gamble. Hence why he shouldn't have a soft feint guardbreak, that move shouldn't be a thing on an unblockable like his. Its overpowered.
Its beyond me why do people think this unfair gamble is okay or fair/fine.

[Siegfried-Z]

I play with other heroes too and i don't have problems beating Raider players with them. The lowbies (rep 1-3) are no prob at all, but i had the pleasure of beating rep 70 ones too in domi but these were all 1v1 anyway. I'm a slightly above average player so i really can't take these posts of you guys seriously at all. But hey soon the new viking hero will come then i will dump Raider and i can bash in your heads with him so i can read about your cries here later.

Pathetic and arrogant. No point to talk with a teen like you.

[Saltreaver]

Your attitude is what hurts For Honor little wolf Boasting left and right. So pathetic...

I win some and lose some. Sometimes i lose most of my matches in a day but those wins against Raiders were awsome fights. I beat them and i wasn't playing Raider, how is that boasting? It's not my fault you can't do the same and then you come crying here on the forums, screaming to nerf Raider in the ground to make him worse than he was before the rework. I am who i am little guy, i wont change cause some random guy on a game forum doesn't like my attitude.

[UbiInsulin]

Let's avoid:

• L2P posts - if you think there's an L2P issue, then approach it from a helpful perspective instead of using it as an insult
• Flaming players of heroes - we're not here to talk about Raider players, we're here to talk about the Raider

I want to keep this thread open, but it's been 50% flaming. Let's not do that.

He has hyperarmor, a really strong soft feint attack and he got a damage buff. He really doesn't need the GB soft feint. I know you dont want to listen to feedback but this change really needs to happen,

We very much still want to listen to feedback on Raider. He's literally the last hero that received changes (the rework and the post-rework).

[Sweaty_Sock]

Let's avoid:

• L2P posts - if you think there's an L2P issue, then approach it from a helpful perspective instead of using it as an insult
• Flaming players of heroes - we're not here to talk about Raider players, we're here to talk about the Raider

I want to keep this thread open, but it's been 50% flaming. Let's not do that.

Damnit *puts pitchfork away*

Something is wrong in raider town but the recent nerf definitely went along way to getting him on the same planet as the rest of the roster, whiffed stunning tap allowing a hyperarmour heavy is my main issue, character without a bash can read/dodge raider (who could have softfeinted a GB to stop them) but cant punish

EDIT: as in punish reliably enough that its worth risking the massive damage the raider will trade into you - suggest maybe increasing the GB interrupt window on that attack? Otherwise hes getting fairly sane (slight damage number tweak maybe and like Raime suggested no layering of stunning taps blinding effect)

EDIT EDIT: on topic with the nerf to stampedes stamina drain I have no problem with a GB softfeint on raider, my problem is the counter (well timed dodge) to his mixup isnt always a counter (given he in turn can counter that counter with a GB)

[Goat_of_Vermund]

And please, consider removing the stampede charge. Far weaker characters lack these kind of moves, and it is quite unhealthy for the game that you fight two guys, and you die because a third attacked you from your blindspot. No risk, and probably a free kill in 4v4. If you don't remove it, at least make him go out of stamina on miss.