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[The_Wanderer.]

I’m just curious on why warden only has a top cc while everybody else with ccs has it from all directions. It would be nice if warden got them in all directions too although this might make him op.

[Star.Princess]

Because CC is usually feature of defensive heroes, Warden isn's among them. Also Warden have 55 guaranteed for it, heroes don't have to be the same, somebody have bigger damage, somebody have it on all sides, somebody have bigger CC windown, different heroes, differend moves and it is ok. I don't think Warden need side CC, at least in the current form. Maybe after rework, maybe when he will be more swordsmen than shoulderbasher, maybe then...

[The_B0G_]

Multi directional crushing counters barely do more than light attack damage, Wardens crushing counter hammers people, I think it does more than most heavy attacks.

[atac56]

Multi directional crushing counters barely do more than light attack damage, Wardens crushing counter hammers people, I think it does more than most heavy attacks.

getting hit with the wardens crushing counter makes one rethink their life choices

[Hormly]

getting hit with the wardens crushing counter makes one rethink their life choices

after I got hit by the wardens crushing counter I abandoned my religion and divorced my wife

[The_B0G_]

after I got hit by the wardens crushing counter I abandoned my religion and divorced my wife

Katherine says hello btw, and she wants her crock pot back.

[Hormly]

Katherine says hello btw, and she wants her crock pot back.

Son of a...

[MCBooma16]

Warden can get gaurenteed 55 damage off of his/her CC from the top. That's a lot of damage for a light attack input. The thing about Warden is that he/she can continue the chain after a CC.

Shaolin, From Qi stance, gets 35 damage from a successful CC. He cannot continue his chains after a CC.

Highlander can get a CC from any side, but his only do 30 damage if successful. You CAN continue with chains and flow into Offensive Stance. No one really follows up with the light or heavy after a CC, unless in a gank.

Valkyrie can get a CC from any side, and they do 27 damage if successful. She can also continue her chains. That's more than her neutral heavy.

Warlord can get a CC from any side, and they do 25 damage if successful. He can also continue his chains. It's better to try and CC incoming heavy attacks, as you'll be using less stamina than if you were to parry it regularly. Being able to continue the chain is always great. Both the zone and a CC do 25 damage.

Black Prior can get a CC from any side, and they deal 20 damage. He/she can continue chains after a successful CC, either into a bash, light or heavy finisher.

It's best to go for CCs against heavy attacks, because it's possible to get light parry punishes for defending with CCs. Getting CCs against light attacks takes some reading, and would be more rewarding to do so with Warden, as his CC punish is probably the strongest.

A lot of Wardens will be eager to use their CC since defending top is their only opportunity to use it.

A lot of Highlanders will try and CC frequently, since their 600ms Defensive Stance Lights allow for a tad more safety. The timing is less strict, so even if you attack second, you could still get hit with his CC..

Only better Shaolins will attempt a Qi Stance CC. If your opponent likes to dodge attack every time you enter Qi Stance, you'll be able to settle for 35 damage instead of 24-25 damage off a regular parry. Other than that, it will become niche really fast, and you'll have to become clever at baiting in order to get those CCs. Man, I wish the Qi Stance Top Unblockable heavy feint back to Qi Stance "bug" was still in the game....

Only experienced Valkyrie players will use the CCs. Valkyrie's heavy attacks are on the lower end of the scale, and if people can get more damage via CC than a heavy parry, they'll take that opportunity. You can continue your chains after a CC, so you'll mostly get a followup light or heavy feint to bash afterward since most players will be caught off guard at first.

Only fancy Warlords attempt Crushing counters. You typically don't need to perform a CC with WL, as a regular heavy parry will grant you the same damage via zone attack, but if you want to save as much stamina as possible and have the opportunity to continue your chains, it would be rewarding to go for CCs on heavy attacks. His CC does the second least amount of damage compared to the afformentioned, but CCs throw opponents off guard and take them by surprise, and it may be easier to get a second light or heavy feint to headbutt off.

Not many Black Priors go for CCs in my experiences. When they do, it's usually always by accident. BP's CCs do the least amount of damage in the entire CC-using roster, but it's better to use than a parry damage-wise. BP's neutral lights deal 17 damage, and a CC is 20. It would probably be wise to always go for a bash after a successful CC, as the player will be too caught off guard to think of dodging, and will resort to defense. A followup light might work, too, and unless you've conditioned your opponent severely, they probably wouldn't expect you to throw a heavy and would thus block it.

To answer your question, if you can't see the pattern, Warden gets a huge amount of damage off of one CC, it would be annoying if they got such damage options for the other sides. Not to mention his lights are fast and chain to SB.

The other characters are all hybrids and have weaker CCs compared to Warden. Not to mention all other heroes I mentioned have more chains and other ways to pressure their opponents, unlike Warden who has very simple chains and a variable timed bash.

Warden is also the only Vanguard with a CC. So he's already a special Vanguard. Every other hero with a CC is either a Hybrid or Heavy.

I hope that answers your question.