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    You got a point there, Fritz.
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    Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

    Americans aren't the only ones that speak English.

    Fritz

    Fritz,

    If you know Norris's posting history, you'll know exactly what he means.

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    A lot of folks wouldn’t enjoy this forum if it weren’t for whiners, period. Without naming names, some of you guys here, why bother involving yourselves? Like it’s a big deal, too important not to add your 2 cents?

    And this thread, what a crock. Lol for some even this isn't about whining in general, just an excuse to whine about Americans whining. Lets pretend this one’s for a higher calling Actually I’m disgusted with Americans whining too. Well not really disgusted, more amused, like watching Hollywood whine about the world’s injustices when they’ve got more goodies to know what to do. To be fair Luftwhiners are a pathetic lot too, especially pre- 4.01.

    I don’t involve myself in the a/c whiner arguments because they are boring but I enjoy involving myself complaining about whining showing everyone how mature and above it I am. These threads aren’t’ easy to ignore, this forum needs identity and thank God we know that.
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    I know two things:

    a. Whining has been worse since certain planes were introduced.
    b. Oleg confirmed who whines the most.

    He knows what comes into his inbox never mind what happens on here.

    If you don't believe me...and I couldn't care less if you do or don't...take it from the man himself

    Ta,
    Norris

    PS: Of course, lots of people speak English - there's no doubt it's future as a 'world language'...but you don't see too many threads opened about Hurricanes or Blenheims now, do you?
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    Originally posted by lrrp22:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:

    Americans aren't the only ones that speak English.

    Fritz

    Fritz,

    If you know Norris's posting history, you'll know exactly what he means.

    . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    By saying "US planes" he meant "Americans". I was just teasing you for not picking that up.

    The thing is, how can we figure out who does the most whining in GD? Obviously, they will be English speakers, since this is an English forum. I think most will agree the majority of whiners are Allied plane fans(note my wording). This doesn't imply any particular nation, rather Allied or Axis preference.

    Then we must consider how many are on each side. Recently I made a poll to see what percentage flew blue and what percentage flew red. It turned out that the highest percentage flew blue. To be honest, after seeing so many whine threads, I had expected the majority to be red flyers but I was wrong in my assumption.

    With further thought and reading back threads, I found most of the whining came from the Allied side, just as my first assumption. The Axis side does whine from time to time but there is one major difference I noticed; consistancy. The Axis whiners usually whine about the same things. The Allied tend to whine about almost anything.

    I also assumed that by creating the poll I would get votes from the majority of regular posters. Whiners are regular posters. The poll does not accurately represent all players of IL-2 but I think I can trust that I got all the whiners to vote along with many non-whiners. Unless I go back and read all the posts in GD, I think there is no accurate way to represent the majority of whiners.

    Being an Allied whiner doesn't mean you are American. The same goes for the Axis whiner; doesn't mean you are German.

    Honestly, I don't think there are that many whiners. The thing is the whiners post more often. You can even remember there names, proving there are not so many.

    In summary, from my observations, I have two conclusions;

    1) Allied whine the most

    2) I spend too much time here.

    Goodnight.

    Fritz
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  6. #26
    I agree with Fritz with only slight modification.

    1) Allied whine the most lately
    2) Me 2

    No one remembers good old (pre 4.00 beta) MG151 days anymore.
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    Well I’ve always believed Oleg Norris. That’s one reason why I don’t care about whiners and all their reasons Silly me I’ve been content from version 1.0. I've never seen the enlightenment in a/c threads, with too many folks its not about planes... if you know what I mean.
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    Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
    I agree with Fritz with only slight modification.

    1) Allied whine the most lately
    2) Me 2

    No one remembers good old (pre 4.00 beta) MG151 days anymore.
    To be honest, I come and go. I post for a couple months before for finding something to occupy my brain. Then after as many or more months, I come back. I've miised a ot of time here that I wouldn't be able to follow the complaints at various stages. But I think what you said sounds logical. It's all about the patches.

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    Well Norris, considering the state of the P-47/P-38/.50's/exploding p-40 when introduced, it's not all that suprising that Oleg would hear from the fans of those planes, now is it?

    The Fw 190 was similarly handicapped early on, and there was no shortage of posters (myself included) requesting improvements to that FM. I'm still utterly convinced that the 190's forward view is hosed.

    There is a big difference between whines and valid requests for improvement, isn't there? Or is anything that requests something positive for anything American automatically relegated to the whine category? I can tell you that it wasn't whining that got the Mustang III included in 4.01.



    Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
    I know two things:

    a. Whining has been worse since certain planes were introduced.
    b. Oleg confirmed who whines the most.

    He knows what comes into his inbox never mind what happens on here.

    If you don't believe me...and I couldn't care less if you do or don't...take it from the man himself

    Ta,
    Norris

    PS: Of course, lots of people speak English - there's no doubt it's future as a 'world language'...but you don't see too many threads opened about Hurricanes or Blenheims now, do you?
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    A FM forum to post all previous and current patch device link data plotted charts, and all the hundreds of dated sourced signed data charts with no questioning them just a place for all the information to be posted. Something similiar to ross_youss great il2compair but done by the maddox team themselves.

    Let the moderators remove fake user created charts. But then again its ubi and would never happen here.
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