1. #291
    Viragoxv535, I hope I haven't offended you? You've suddenly vanished.

    But exploitation is not a nonsense.

    De-exploitation - is in everyone's interest! Even capitalists.....they also suffer. They have to run only faster and faster, because another predator is breathing in the back. Strong predator eats a weak one.

    And, of course, de-exploitation is in gamers' interest!

    If you have to work from dawn to dusk.....what games can we talk about?! Many people just have no time for computer games! Millions.
    You can hear it here and there - "I used to love it. But now I have no time."
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    Originally Posted by GameGuru2018 Go to original post
    Viragoxv535, I hope I haven't offended you? You've suddenly vanished.
    Not vanished at all but it's clear you're failing to understand that whenever there is a voluntary agreement between two parties it can never be called exploitation.
    If you can't understand that then sorry but i can't help you further.
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  3. #293
    Originally Posted by Viragoxv535 Go to original post
    Not vanished at all but it's clear you're failing to understand that whenever there is a voluntary agreement between two parties it can never be called exploitation.
    If you can't understand that then sorry but i can't help you further.
    I'm trying to make you understand this "voluntary agreement"! It's core.

    During and after Civil War in the USA, the notherners faced such an unexpected problem - sometimes it was rather difficult to explain to the slaves that slavery is not normal. To be a slave is not natural. Many of them refused to understand it. They were taught so long, from generation to generation, and it was so natural for them - there is a white man, and there is a black man.....and the black man always serves to the white man. Priests also sang their song - This is fate. Destiny. As the Lord wills. Many of slaves fought on the southern side - for slavery, for natural order of things, for God's will.

    Slaves just refused to understand any abusing of exploitation, any "wrong" of slavery. Many were afraid that they would no longer be slaves like their fathers and grandfathers.
    Their masters at least took care of them....gave them shelter and food, for not to die. And now....what they should do with this freedom?!

    A person who refuses to understand Exploitation as it is reminds me of those slaves.

    Today there are many people, not capitalists, but they support capitalism. You can see even proletariat supporting capitalism. It's like slaves supporting slavery!

    What is the ground of capitalism exploitaion? You must always need money. You must always run for money. This is the basis of exploitation system!
    For such purpose there are carrot and stick. Stick - homeless and hobos on the streets and Carrot - those who escaped to the top, succesful people, new millionaires.
    Shut up and work harder! Or will find yourself as a hobo one beautiful day. Catch loans and mortgages as well, for better stimulation for work!
    And "carrots" are singing alone - "I did it! And you can!" Work harder, run faster!

    But 99% will never be rich. Never. And this 1%.... is only exception. Exception that proves the rule.
    And people are forced to pedal, more and more....Behind is the stick, in front of them is a carrot.

    It is called economic exploitation. Basis of capitalism.

    Capitalism is based not on capitalists but on fools who believe that one day they also will be rich.
    But they only forced to pedal all their life to enrich someone else.

    While everyone will go on thinking of himself as a millionaire's larva capitalism will have ground.
    Only when people start understanding the illusory nature of it they will start moving. Public consciousness must grow to this point.
    Crises, wars, epidemics....help this growth. People are starting to open their eyes. They start to wake up.

    The worse - the better!

    And revolution comes as Bliss. As purification. Don't afraid of revolurion - afraid of revolution absence!
    Revolution doesn't mean blood or barricades. Revolution means revolutionary changings. It is not bad word.
    Where would we be now without revolutions?! I mean our civilization. Where would we be without French Revolution, Bourgeois, October....?! Revolutions are moving this civilization ahead.

    I write of revolution because exploitation can't be removed without it. It can't be abolished evolutionary. Moving from one economic and political system to another can't be made without revolution.
    All people who talk about non-revolution possibility of such changings either fools or deliberately deceive people.

    When you start talking about de-exploitation, about rights of workers....understand you it or not....you start talking about revolution.
    Because without it all that struggle for workers' rights has no value. It will be shaddow boxing and nothing more.
    Today they give you these rights, tomorrow they will take it back.
    Eupean social-democrats and trade unionists are fighting for these rights for more than a century.....and what?!!!
    The rich only getting richer.
    Everything they achieved was achieved by using Sovit Union as a Bogey. If you won't do that we can make like it was there.

    When you start talking about de-exploition you start talking about new society as well. Otherwise what is the goal of revolution? Some new exploitation again? No!

    Our civilization should move to the society without exploitation!
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    Originally Posted by GameGuru2018 Go to original post
    I'm trying to make you understand this "voluntary agreement"! It's core.
    contradicts

    Originally Posted by GameGuru2018 Go to original post
    To be a slave is not natural.
    because employment contracts' clauses do not include the owning of the employee as property.
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    Far Cry 6 setting: My vote in descending order

    1. Germany
    2. Turkey
    3. UK
    4. Austria
    5. Romania
    6. Hungary

    I think the top three are prime candidates. I think Germany would be the best candidate because its ripe for some clever political commentary (which is kind of what Far Cry does... sort of well.) And it also has some breathtaking landscapes. Turkey too, but I have no idea what the landscape looks like. The UK would maybe be the best choice for geo-political commentary, but somehow I think it would be the most boring landscape. I could be wrong, however.

    The other three, I think would serve as good surrogate options failing the three I mentioned above--seeing as how they're a little too hot for topical discussion in video games at the moment. Austria would be a good stand-in for Germany. Romania would just be kind of badass to mess around in with all those Carpathian mountains and stuff. Might could even put some horror elements into the game--play off that whole Transylvania vibe it has going on. Hungary? Eh... I dunno much about the place. Could be fun, though.
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    Originally Posted by Zascha. Go to original post
    Far Cry 6 setting: My vote in descending order

    1. Germany
    2. Turkey
    3. UK
    4. Austria
    5. Romania
    6. Hungary

    I think the top three are prime candidates. I think Germany would be the best candidate because its ripe for some clever political commentary (which is kind of what Far Cry does... sort of well.) And it also has some breathtaking landscapes. Turkey too, but I have no idea what the landscape looks like. The UK would maybe be the best choice for geo-political commentary, but somehow I think it would be the most boring landscape. I could be wrong, however.

    The other three, I think would serve as good surrogate options failing the three I mentioned above--seeing as how they're a little too hot for topical discussion in video games at the moment. Austria would be a good stand-in for Germany. Romania would just be kind of badass to mess around in with all those Carpathian mountains and stuff. Might could even put some horror elements into the game--play off that whole Transylvania vibe it has going on. Hungary? Eh... I dunno much about the place. Could be fun, though.
    My top picks would be:

    Armenia during the Nagorno Karabakh War
    Russia/USSR
    Cuba
    North Korea
    China during the Civil War between the Nationalists and Communists
    Vietnam
    Turkey

    Each location has wonderfully vast and diverse environments, resources, weapons, societies of different cultures and origins, conflicts, and factions that each have different ideologies and goals.
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    I wouldn't be interested in either Russia or China, frankly. Or North Korea for that matter. I've seen a lot of people mention these locales, but they're just so... cliche and done to death.

    North Korea sucks, and that's just the way it is. There's no story to tell there besides leading a revolution, and I'm quite certain that story is never going to be told. Not in a film. Not in a book. And certainly not in a video game. Just look at how much trouble that James Franco movie made.

    Russia is, quite frankly, boring, except for Chernobyl. But we've explored that area and that entire history in too many games as it is. It's too cliche at this point.

    China would be just all right. It would be another jungle setting with familiar landscapes we've already seen in the franchise. Plus, most people are pretty familiar with Chinese culture already. There's not really a lot to explore there unless they do something with the Triads. But even still, there are other games that do this pretty well--Sleeping Dogs for one.

    Add to all of this, these places are just too... on the nose. What I mean is, they're topical points of interest. It would simply be bad form for a game company to try and bank on these locales. For a franchise like Far Cry and the resources Ubisoft has--these places are just low-hanging fruit. They could and should dig deeper than these places.

    Vietnam isn't worth exploring, frankly.

    Turkey could be interesting. But really I put that even in my own list because it kind of serves as a melting pot between Russian culture and Middle Eastern culture. Landscape and Wildlife are possibly interesting.

    Don't know much about Armenia. Could be one of those places like Turkey. Could be a good place to explore if it has an interesting environment.

    I've seen people mention Australia... That's not the worst idea ever. The wildlife itself would be worth exploring. But I'm convinced there are better options even still.

    I wouldn't even mind exploring other parts of America: Alaska would be pretty dope. It's just beautiful country up there. Not sure if there's much story potential, though. Maybe it wouldn't be a good option for a Far Cry game, unless they inserted some of their classic Science Fiction aspects found in the first Far Cry. Even FC4 had some Mad Science aspects to it.

    I wouldn't mind somewhere in a desert. I would hesitate to say the Middle East somewhere. I'm kind of burned out on that sort of thing personally.
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    If they expanded the Hours of Darkness DLC, Vietnam would've been fine. Assassin's Creed Revelations takes place in Constantinople which is now present day capital of Turkey. Far Cry 2 and Assassin's Creed Origins have deserts. I would prefer if Ubisoft went back to its roots and return to the Pacific islands like Micronesia with an active volcano. Instead of fighting pirates as seen in Far Cry Instincts Evolution and Far Cry 3, it's more focused on mercenaries like in Far Cry 1, Far Cry Instincts and the latter part of Far Cry 3's storyline. I don't want anymore liberations with rebels, resistance or tribes. When attacking outposts, they would be left deserted and ransacked rather than being liberated. Guns for Hire would still exist and function similarly to what is seen in Hours of Darkness without permanent deaths from the DLC itself or the buddies in Far Cry 2.
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    Originally Posted by Viragoxv535 Go to original post
    contradicts



    because employment contracts' clauses do not include the owning of the employee as property.


    You should understand the essence - No need to own you as property. Having you as property, as a slave, will be rather troublesome. I'll need to feed you, to give you a shelter, treat you from diseases so that you don't die ahead of time....headache. All is needed - you must need my money! That's all. You will work as a slave without any official slavery.

    Need for money will make you work for me!

    You will work for me without any slavery. Less headache with you. I just throw you money, that's all. Go, find yourself food, shelter, everything you need.
    I'll give you money.....for not to die, for you'll be able to work for me further. Have food, shelter....woman..... yes, and children, who will replace you in the future. You're not eternal!

    If you don't like me you can find yourself somebody else who can give you money! Some other "slave-owner".
    In this system you can be only a slave or a slaveholder.
    There is a saying - " Slave dreams not of freedom but of having slaves."

    Capitalism is based on that. You must need money. Always. You must run and run for money. And only those who have more money can give money to you.


    But step by step our civilization is moving to the society without money, without classes and without exploitation.

    It will be battle of battles......for the future of humanity!

    What did Marx do? He researched capitalism from A to Z ...and gave scientific basis of where did capitalism came from, what forces are forming it and working inside, what future is predetermined, and how understanding of that mechanics allow us to play active role in history in the development of these forces.

    He researched it very carefully and came to conclusion - Capitalism leads to Communism.

    Society that has never been achieved on this planet. Nowhere!
    You can't jump from one society to another. Socialism - first stage of communism. It was achieved in Soviet Union by 1936. From 1917 to 1936 - 19 years were needed to achieve it.

    Marxism is science. No one has refuted it yet.

    Soviet Union was born according to marxism ....and died acording to marxism. (Because of mistakes)

    So.....we live in great epoch. Our civilization is moving from capitalism to communism. It may take hundreds and hundreds of years. It will be long and exhausting, from country to country, from revolutions to counterrevolutions and revolutions again.

    It's started in France - Paris Commune.
    First attempt - lived about 70 days.
    Second,Soviet Union - lived about 70 years. All mistakes of Paris were taken into account.
    There will be third attempt! And all mistakes of Soviet Union will be taken into account as well.

    Humanity was born in communism. Primal communism. And moving to communism - at a new scientific and technological level.
    Slavery, feudalism, capitalism....pulled us out of there. But it was necessary for future development.

    And now we are moving Home!

    To the society without classes and exploitation. Society without money and states. Society without wars. Where people will be brothers and sisters.

    In every nation there are legends of golden times in the past. Once upon a time far away in the past....This is a memory of that primal communism.
    No need to go far, just take this....Soviet Union ceased to exist only recently, there were problems...but people are already remembering this time - "It was paradise...."

    They remember those times when people didn't speak about money, were closer to each other.
    Today people faced such fact that in Soviet Union people were more kind and humane. But how could it happen in materialistic country?!
    Society itself changes people. People say today - "It was way to God without religion."

    They faced also such fact - there is no word "loser" in the language. No direct synonymes.
    Only later thay start understanding that in socialistic society can't be losers. Because country,people, trying to help each other.


    This is old soviet picture about future. Not postapocalypse, but future we want. Future for everyone on this planet. Without exploitation. For little boy somewhere in Africa and little girl somewhere in Asia as well.



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  10. #300
    Originally Posted by KrayZee_ Go to original post
    focused on mercenaries like in Far Cry 1.
    And Trigens...

    Don't talk about FC1 as if it didn't contain a whole LOT of sci-fi nonsense including genetically altered mutants.

    This is the true roots of the series. The franchise was never intended to be a serious real-world tactical/survival/military sim.
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