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  1. #1

    Lift the raid loot time restriction

    Having to wait a week to get the exclusive raid loot is a mistake for this game.

    I get where the idea is coming from and it makes sense in big and slow mmorpgs, where you have several other options to make progress, but a fast-paced loot-shooter lives from the progression of the loot. A decent and average team should be able to clear the raid in one and a half hour or less, the efficient ones already did it under under half an hour. So we are not talking about something big either, compared to raids in mmorpgs. The loot being exclusive to raid is already a hindrance, so why restricting it to one drop per week too? I am sure as hell that farming groups will emerge, but that is actually a good thing and timely appropriate for the average, especially when more raids will get introduced later on.

    It just really sucks to have to wait for one week to have the possibility of getting progress again. Thats what i do currently, playing your game for the raid, because my main character is on the edge of finding no upgrades anymore, i have a twink on the specific level of 19 to farm the best mods in the game, i have all the collectibles, i have everything unlocked, i have around 87% of the commendations completed and the mods are finished in 60 days at the latest. Dont have much to do besides raiding and i can only want to play it so much, without an actual incentive besides memorising the patterns.

    The exclusive loot is also too much to not have it properly farmable. Three whole sets, which apparently either drop as a piece or as blueprint, or maybe both in a whole eventually, damn components to craft the pieces and an exotic weapon. I have to assume, there are at least 20 pieces of loot to get specificly in the raid, which also have quite the low dropchance, especialy because the bosses have apparently the chance to only drop one of those pieces. Not to mention the alleged 1% droprate on bosses for the exotic weapon. This is a nightmare to farm when one run per week the limit is.

    I dont see any point in this restriction.
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    totally agreee

    the loot in this game is too random to have lockouts, its not practical to have it locked except maybe for the keys
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    Nennee's Avatar Senior Member
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    How about open up MM so all can join in. Before you guys start to complain AGAIN.
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    Originally Posted by Nennee Go to original post
    How about open up MM so all can join in. Before you guys start to complain AGAIN.
    YOU CAN ALL DO THE RAID!!!!!!!!!!! Enough with the MM insinuation restricting you guys from this event. If you have any ounce of social skills and real determination, you can find a group. The bigger question is why don't you have 7 friends to do it with? I'm getting tired of reading about these lazy, anti-social people using MM as an excuse. I always friends online to do it with and if I dont, I go and find social platforms. If you guys really wanted to do this raid, you would be doing it. Do I think MM should be an option? Yes, I do. Do I want to read about people whining about it every other thread? No, I do not.
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    Originally Posted by Hamburglar-44 Go to original post
    YOU CAN ALL DO THE RAID!!!!!!!!!!! Enough with the MM insinuation restricting you guys from this event. If you have any ounce of social skills and real determination, you can find a group. The bigger question is why don't you have 7 friends to do it with? I'm getting tired of reading about these lazy, anti-social people using MM as an excuse. I always friends online to do it with and if I dont, I go and find social platforms. If you guys really wanted to do this raid, you would be doing it. Do I think MM should be an option? Yes, I do. Do I want to read about people whining about it every other thread? No, I do not.

    Personally? They all quit the game already, not because it was too hard, not because they lacked skill but because they decided that other games were more worthy of their free time and money. The delayed raid, loot issues, amount of bugs introduced since launch, strange game design choices and the whole slew of insert viable issue <here> etc just killed any will to play the game that they had and understandably so. I don't think anyone is under the impression that they simply cannot do the raid at all without matchmaking and am pretty sure most know that if they exert exorbitant effort to find a group they could. In a nutshell the game in general just has a huge effort vs reward problem. Max effort doesn't guarantee anything and for a game meant to be entertainment that's not a very small issue for one to have.


    I'm willing to bet that I'm not the only one in this particular situation either. I also think that a lot of people have a hard time understanding massive's logic for not including matchmaking after touting it as such a big feature of the game for every other activity all the while advertising the coming raid release while keeping it quiet that it would not have matchmaking enabled. It's even more absurd given that one of the most viable options for finding a group isn't found inside the game itself. What other game makes you go outside of the game in this day and age to find people to group with so you can access the games content? I get that you don't like seeing all the posts and threads but I for one am glad to see Massive/Ubi get hit over the head with it constantly. They should be called out for their poor design choices as loudly and often as possible. After all, it's the choices that they made for the game and appeared post launch which are responsible for all of the posts and discontent in the first place.

    I've seen "technical issues" cited in defense of massive for not including it which again. Is absurd. If they couldn't do it for technical reasons than they should have shelved it and not made such a big deal about the raid as they did. I think a lot of people would have been much happier if they split the raid in half and made two incursions out of it that were balanced for a group of 4 with matchmaking. It's like giving a 16 year old a new car with no wheels and telling them they have to go find tires for it before they can drive it...every time they want to drive it. It's just more hassle than a lot of people are looking to deal with in a game and I don't think that makes them lazy at all. Especially since Massive set the expectation of matchmaking being available for everything themselves. Heck most of the people vocally upset about the raid not including matchmaking may be having a hard enough time even logging on in the first place at this point and were looking forward to some new challenging but easily accessible content to finally enjoy. Not an external manual matchmaking mini game that they had to beat every time they want to experience it.

    For the record, i'd like to experience the raid myself however i both know and accept that there is a good chance that I'd have to leave it at some point or another to attend to real life. With matchmaking that includes back filling I'd have no issue joining a raid group but knowing that doing so in the raids current state would likely negatively impact 7 other players experience if I suddenly had to leave (They would have to find a replacement, catch them up on the encounter etc) makes me all the more hesitant to even bother trying to find a group out of respect for both my own and other peoples time. I was and still am reserved to the fact that my particular situation is prohibitive to experiencing the current raid without interruption and am fine with that. I do still feel for the people that can consistently carve out uninterrupted play time for the raid but aren't experiencing it because of all the hoops they have to jump through in order to even get a group for it of which after finding one there is no guarantee that the group itself will remain intact for the entirety of the raid.



    Back on topic, I agree that the raid loot lock is yet another one of Massives goofy design choices. They're unnecessarily delaying players chances to obtain gear that reportedly has a very low drop rate to begin with.
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    If they got rid of the timer, then once people did the raid a few times they'd go back to complaining that there's nothing to do. It doesn't matter how many other activities they add to this game, if people get the highest level stuff immediately then they're not going to want to go back and do anything else.
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    Why bother lifting the restriction when 99.99% of the loot that drops is pretty much useless?
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    Originally Posted by Hamburglar-44 Go to original post
    YOU CAN ALL DO THE RAID!!!!!!!!!!! Enough with the MM insinuation restricting you guys from this event. If you have any ounce of social skills and real determination, you can find a group. The bigger question is why don't you have 7 friends to do it with? I'm getting tired of reading about these lazy, anti-social people using MM as an excuse. I always friends online to do it with and if I dont, I go and find social platforms. If you guys really wanted to do this raid, you would be doing it. Do I think MM should be an option? Yes, I do. Do I want to read about people whining about it every other thread? No, I do not.
    You have clearly understood nothing about why this is an issue.

    Listen kid.
    Every day we read about kids whinning about this and that in the game either its to boring or its a bug
    or its to hard its all kinds of stuffs you kids cry about all day long. And all that crying is destroying the game.
    Yes that is the reason to why games fall apart. Unsatisfied children.
    When we older people have one thing to complain about. Then we are boring and should stop whinning.

    No i am not gonna stop complaining about this thing and if you dont like it dont read it.
    Not everybody lives on internet and only have friends out there and socialise with.
    Not everyone wants to have such a life.
    You have totaly missunderstood whats it is all about.
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    Originally Posted by LANCERZzZz Go to original post
    If they got rid of the timer, then once people did the raid a few times they'd go back to complaining that there's nothing to do. It doesn't matter how many other activities they add to this game, if people get the highest level stuff immediately then they're not going to want to go back and do anything else.

    People typically already don't get the loot they're looking for after a few runs of really anything and it doesn't look like that will change any time soon.






    Originally Posted by Shadow Viper vX Go to original post
    Why bother lifting the restriction when 99.99% of the loot that drops is pretty much useless?

    I get what you're saying but it's also a stronger argument in favor of removing the timer. It simply won't have much of an impact on anything other than allowing groups that are able to consistently field 8 people for the raid to spend more time in it. Not to mention how beneficial it would be in allowing those groups to introduce more clan members/friends etc to the content for science. (Teach new people the encounters)
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    Originally Posted by LANCERZzZz Go to original post
    If they got rid of the timer, then once people did the raid a few times they'd go back to complaining that there's nothing to do. It doesn't matter how many other activities they add to this game, if people get the highest level stuff immediately then they're not going to want to go back and do anything else.
    We arent getting the stuff the immediately, we dont even get the stuff in a moderate amount of time. This is nothing else than farming Jefferson Trade Center for Merciless or Potomac for Sweet Dreams. Imagine you have only one chance in a week for them to drop. Infact, limitiation of that kind lead to frustration and the end of the game eventually, its quite possible i wont get all the loot in the next 24 tries and then its already New Year. That is ****ed up.
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