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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by main-got-banned Go to original post
    An exploit is a cheat, enabled by the game developer itself. It is, no matter how you look at it.

    If a cheat maker was to create an almost invincibility, how would he go about it? By increasing the % armor value above regular values (I have all datamined spreadsheets for this game and know what is above and what isn't)

    I don't care whether they get their accounts deleted or permanently banned (bye OWO clan, you had it coming) or suspended for a month. As long, as it is equal or more towards the people who's game experience they ruined (just like Valve did by making CS:GO free to play). Punishment needs to be made, and it needs to be made publicly and transparent.

    Your "innocent until found guilty" doesn't apply in online games, they HAVE all the data they need. They always do. They know who moves more than allowed movement speed, who proc's more than allowed value off unstoppable force. It literally takes 1 search with the correct parameter in their database to get the EXACT list of the unfair players.
    To be fair, you could leave him that sentence. After all, an exploit is abusing a situation and a cheat is breaking rules to do whatever you want.

    The fact that you are cheating each time you use an exploit seems irrelevant to him
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    Originally Posted by InfamousClub Go to original post
    The coarse of action would be to patch it. Banning players for their mistake is out of the question...
    It's not a mistake when you equip a lvl 20 vest when you are in world tier 5, because it increases your armor threefold. If any of these actually believe this, I feel sorry for them because common sense evaded them successfully for their entire life. This is deliberate exploit.
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    Originally Posted by MagicHp Go to original post

    But using an exploit is cheating.
    No.

    To you, maybe.

    According to Ubisoft, no. The Code of Conduct is quite clear in the distinction.

    In this instance Ubisoft's definition obviously trumps yours.
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    Originally Posted by SIRLANCELOT444 Go to original post
    I dont think players that did it should be banned though, its immoral yes, but they are just using whats availiable in game in ways that werent meant to be combined to give them an vastly unfair advantage. It could simply be a kid that hasnt developed empathy yet or understanding its implications. Its really Massives fault for not seeing this happening. I couldnt feel right using such a loophole , knowing how hard players work on their build.
    Had it been a kid who hasn't fully developed yet they'd have a different nickname than these who had been running the same kind of things in D1 three years ago (remeber the RPM glitch with magazines?)

    Edit: how else are they going to develop empathy towards others than by punishment? When I told something nasty to my teacher in elementary, my dad beat me up. It was humiliating, and it served purpose. I learned respect. Getting banned in an online game is million times less humiliating, but it serves purpose - your account gets a strike and every time you do another exploit, of which there are going to be many in this game, you face a permanent ban.
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    They’re not going to ban anyone. Their remark about no tolerance to cheats is in reference to 3rd party hacks (like aim bots and whatnot.) What we have here is not a cheat in that sense at all. No one is manipulating the gear, the gear is legit rolling the ridiculously high rolls. It’s a bug, not a cheat.
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    Originally Posted by main-got-banned Go to original post
    An exploit is a cheat, enabled by the game developer itself. It is, no matter how you look at it.
    Read the Code of Conduct.

    You see the distinction between what is considered an exploit and what is considered cheating insofar as TD2 is concerned?
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    Originally Posted by iSayBoourns Go to original post
    They’re not going to ban anyone. Their remark about no tolerance to cheats is in reference to 3rd party hacks (like aim bots and whatnot.) What we have here is not a cheat in that sense at all. No one is manipulating the gear, the gear is legit rolling the ridiculously high rolls. It’s a bug, not a cheat.
    so just ride the gravy train while you can?
    Massive needs to understand that they can't let such bugs to pass through the main release if they wanted any resemblance of balanced PvP to show off.
    Same thing as the Div 1, only this time we don't have matchmaking for Incursions, i mean , Raids.
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    Originally Posted by Goo-Goo-Man Go to original post
    No.

    To you, maybe.

    According to Ubisoft, no. The Code of Conduct is quite clear in the distinction.

    In this instance Ubisoft's definition obviously trumps yours.
    Then you really have reading issues, while they do differentiate the two terms, nothing in that page is saying that using an exploit is not a cheat. Please, do quote the part where it says that.

    On the contrary, it is set just with all the others "cheating, exploiting, modifyng the code, etc" parts, which is filed under "Forbidden Conduct"

    Open a dictionnary, go check the definitions of "Exploit" and "Cheat", go read that Code of Conduct again, and quote where it says that using an exploit is not cheating.
    I'll wait, a very very long time
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    Originally Posted by SIRLANCELOT444 Go to original post
    @Magic, yup I just came across a milliion armor man tonight, Firing my whole mag into him was like him getting hit by a bb gun. I just left session cause if everyone refused to play with him then maybe these types of players will get the point, Sadly they never will
    Nope, he got a win he was aiming for. And a rank up in leaderboards.

    Anyone remebers global events? If it invloved Clear sky, the only possible legit score was about 35k GE credits for an hour run It didn't take long for chinese nicknames to start appearing with values above 150k and every honest player was moved lower to the last tier for the lowest or no reward at all. What happened then? Nothing.

    Basically, someone got the prize from Ubisoft for being the "worlds first" (no delta's, no waiting for raid servers for 30 minutes, NPC's not dealing any damage) and took it home. No repercussions. Really, a developer to expect a big things from.
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    Originally Posted by Goo-Goo-Man Go to original post
    Read the Code of Conduct.

    You see the distinction between what is considered an exploit and what is considered cheating insofar as TD2 is concerned?
    Sorry, my IQ is above 80 and I don't need to be explained the difference between typing IDDQD and staying in cover.
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