some of heroes that I know, are unbalanced | Forums

[BLACKSTONE-WOLF]

ok I know how hard it is to balance every single hero in this game.believe me I really do.
the heroes were greatly balanced before season 7.after that you started to ruin your hard work.
ok first of all I play this game on pc and second I'm a knight.
I love vortiger's background story and I like this character but when I see him in action,it's just he is sooo powerful and unbeatable. I tried to find ways to defeat him but it's somehow impossible. ok not impossible but hard.he is so easy to learn and easy to control for everyone, he has so many different moves,and you can't get away from him when he starts his attacks and you lose your stamina so easily against him. so I thought you guys should do a rework on him.
you reworked raider. guys he was already powerful and balanced. I saw a comment and that guy said please give him side attacks too o-o.well these kinda people are fans of these heroes so try not to listen to them.raider's damage and speed are too high and it makes him more poweful than the other heroes.
ok next is peacekeeper. she is an assassin just like orochi. orochi is so fast and loses stamina not easily,but he's good and balanced and there is ways to defeat him.
BUT pk is so weak. she loses stamina so fast and she is somehow slower than orochi and other assassins.please give her a rework( a good one not somehing like raider to ruin her)
that's all. I know there's so many people who don't understand the difficulty of balancing heroes even designing of a game. but I'm trying to understand. I LOVE this game and I don't want it to be ruined and I don't want to see your hard work wasted. so if you see this opinion helpful please consider it when you are working on the game.
thanks ubisoft.
((to the mean people : please put your insulting cmments somewhere else. this is not the place. I'm just trying to say my opinion in a peaceful way))
if someone has a good opinion on this I gladly take it and I appreciate it.

[XReflex_SurgeX]

I would definitely agree about how raider was already good before the rework. Today, I was on the "Hyper Duel" event and my first match was Raider. The match start and I chose Hitokiri as my hero. He starts up his combo and I'm blow away by him in literally 5 seconds. The fact that he has super armor on his second heavy is so bogus. His light attacks are too fast for me to even keep up with unless the player always starts off the same direction. His cancel in to stunning tap is ludicrously faster than any attack I've seen before. I hope that the fix him back to the way he was, he is way to overpowered and i hope he gets the rework done as soon as possible.

[Papatank972]

before the rework I had fun to fight against a raider it was enjoyable now it's a real pain ... his stunning tap is so fast you can't react to it you have to guess, his side dodge GB make him uncatchable you can't gb him even in the middle of his dodge and now he has hyper armor..! omg and he has a soft feint into gb now it's a peacekeeper with double damage, what's the point of picking peacekeeper now? the first time I tried the new raider I did a 1v4 and I won and I really really really don't do that often.

about the vortiger... well no stamina if you guess bad uuuhhh you're dead
when he shield bash his light after the touch deals more damage than the conqueror...

you have to put soooo much energy against those characters to defeat them but at this moment I prefer to fight against vortiger than a raider

pk need a buff, and poor centurion... he needs something too. Nice for lawbringer he's not super strong but at least he can do something now and no more turtle

[Kobi_Blade]

This topics are annoying, cause unless it's coming from an experienced player that knows how to counter heroes on top of knowing their heroes combos, the feedback is irrelevant and ends up breaking balance.

In the case of Vortiger, I was never killed once by any player playing with that Hero, yet here we have a player claiming Vortiger is OP.

If anything, Conqueror can be far more dangerous than any Vortiger (but you won't see me claiming Conqueror is OP).

[BLACKSTONE-WOLF]

thanks for the reply. I have to say that I'm agree with you about conqueror but I don't have him so I cant's say if he is balanced or not. but about vortiger I have him and I say he is really easy to use and I use his combos without taking any risks. I don't want him to be changed so much. I want this combo ( light + guardbreak + light) to be changed. I mean when vortiger attacks me with first light attack it doesn't matter if I defend that or get hit by that, he can continue his combo with guardbreak and this is something that you can't stop and it's hard to dodge that too and he repeats it so many times. they can just make that combo available after I get damage from first light attack not after I defended myself from it. I say this because for example cent , you can get full combo if you do the moves correctly. so if you do a mistake, you have to do those moves from the first place.
(sorry my english is not really good so if I wrote something wrong I apologize)

[Kobi_Blade]

thanks for the reply. I have to say that I'm agree with you about conqueror but I don't have him so I cant's say if he is balanced or not. but about vortiger I have him and I say he is really easy to use and I use his combos without taking any risks. I don't want him to be changed so much. I want this combo ( light + guardbreak + light) to be changed. I mean when vortiger attacks me with first light attack it doesn't matter if I defend that or get hit by that, he can continue his combo with guardbreak and this is something that you can't stop and it's hard to dodge that too and he repeats it so many times. they can just make that combo available after I get damage from first light attack not after I defended myself from it. I say this because for example cent , you can get full combo if you do the moves correctly. so if you do a mistake, you have to do those moves from the first place.
(sorry my english is not really good so if I wrote something wrong I apologize)

My question is why you can't stop the guardbreak, with me they don't even that far, but assume they do.

You can and should parry his attacks, and you can also cancel his guardbreak with ease. The fact you know the combo and still fail to counter it with the options you have in place, shows lack of experience.

Whatever Hero you playing against, if you fail to learn to parry and cancel guardbreaks, you're going to die often in PVP.

I suggest you take your time in the training arena until you can parry with your eyes closed, like the rest of us did (don't underestimate the BOTs, they play better than most players on difficulty setting 2 and above in the arena).

[hordeOfseagulls]

i love players like kobi_blade who think the whole games balance revolves around them and the 4% population of pro players. also you have never died from black prior? haha. if you want to troll go do it somewhere else.

[BLACKSTONE-WOLF]

buddy do you know vortiger's combo that I told you about? when he does this combo it's not guardreak anymore IT'S SHEILD SPAM. you can't break it. I think you should try vortiger in training arena too.

[Kobi_Blade]

buddy do you even know vortiger's combo that I told you about? when he does this combo it's not guardreak anymore IT'S SHEILD SPAM. you can't break it. I think you should try vortiger in training arena too.

Considering how slow Vortiger is, I can't see any of them shield bashes being a problem, his attacks are easy to dodge and parry.

Tenebis Rising is not tied to any combo either, as it can be widely used (and again easily dodged), you need good judgment call and patience to know the right time to use it, you won't be spam bashing any skilled opponent with that attack.

He was pretty much balanced the moment the developers added the huge delay it takes for the bash to hit (as well as the HP damage), in comparison to the likes of the Gladiator shield bash.

You'll find Vortiger is not hard to take down, depending on the Hero you using and your playstyle, myself I use The Samurai faction, and Vortiger tends to die pretty quickly.

But if you still wanna nerf him, I suggest removing the HP damage from his Shield Bash. I'll look forward further replies from you, if you feel like adding anything.

[BLACKSTONE-WOLF]

ok I tried dodging from that shield spam but it follows you when you dodge. the samurai heroes like orochi and kensei have dodge attacks so you can stop him so easily but it's hard with other heroes. like I said it needs a little bit limitation for first light attack in that move that's all.( taking damage from first light then shield spam not block it and it continues anyway)
I know there's so many people who don't know the ways of defeating a hero so they start to say that hero needs to nerf down. but I tried to learn how to beat him but sometimes when he starts his combos I just give up. if there's any hints I missed about defeating vortiger I'd be glad to hear it. thanks
btw I use knights and orochi and aramusha most of the times.