How to deal with Hitokiri's trading | Forums

[Vendelkin]

Raime you keep telling us this haha. We know . And you are doing a great job of delivering useful and pertinant information.

[Sweaty_Sock]

Nice list -few things I could maybe add

Cent - you can leap attack (dash forward heavy) with right timing to use your own hyperarmour to trade through a charged heavy - while this is only 20 damage the guaranteed uncharged bash + light takes it to 35 and you now have the momentum to mixup and hopefully get that 5 points damage back with interest. Good for lols when you are being ganked by a low health one (particularly if you have bounty hunter) or to take that last bit of stamina off then to OOS

PK & Orochi feint & then dodge aside as early as you are able through the uncharged attacks (early enough to just slip through) but do NOT use dodge attacks, instead stand there for a second & either dodge back into the light followup (usual response) to either deflect or slip again (works for most responses) - in either case if you nail the timing GB them if they are in recovery frames. Not easy but its the most consistent way I've learnt to make them fear just using heavy into whatever you do to give you some breathing room back into the duel, especially if you nail two full 3 stab GB's with a PK
EDIT: if they are charging then confirm the dodge attack to salvage when you can or if you were early enough/they were too slow dodge again - bit risky & you kinda have to wing it but its better than just eating 40 damage for the fun of it

[nufrancis]

As I thought. RIP assasin main vs Hitokiri. Blow trading move is specifically made to counter assasin. I regret a bit picking Orochi after 1 year break... Its a torture playing as Orochi in current meta

[Klingentaenz3r]

Hello folks ,

How nice - I also had the intend to do sth like that with video footage but basically just for aramusha. Didn't have the time yet to put sth together unfortunately.

However, here is my usual take on how to deal with trading hitokiris with Aramusha:

Utilize only the quickest chains in order to have the hitokiri in hit stagger. Sth like top light into side heavy and then heavy finisher or start with side light into top heavy. As hitokiris tend to be very responsive the heavy finisher and even chain heavies rip in more often than against normal enemies as they get less often parried. Going for deadly feints is usually the moment at the latest when a trade is going to happen, so it is only adviseable if your opponent is already conditioned or is in general prone for your mix up. After a successful mix up go for BB, either into ring the bell->GB -> wallsplat/top heavy or fury unleashed -> mix up if you have the stamina. Be aware that all your chains can't be sustained for long without eating a counter attack so concentrate on getting one till three hits in.

Note that I initiate this all most likely when an opening presents itself. From neutral and a distance I tend to test the waters out with a trade combo myself which is Rushing Wind (top, not alternate) into side heavy or for more damage a spaced side heavy from neutral (requires me to read successfully or be quicker).

If the hitokiri is more self-aware and defensively effective you would have to step up your game much more and rely to be effective with a few single hits at a time by carefully timing and spacing or by bringing in a more advance mix up game (back/sidestep whiffs for bait, as initiation but also mid chain) and using rapid heavy cancels into BB to punish their counter/trading attempts with a counter yourself.

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As for Warden I have an additional note post trading. Stay aware that there is likely an additional attack coming. If it comes from top you can crushing counter it on reaction even without having the guard in the right position before. Nice method to break the offense and turn the tables again right away. Needs to be an heavy though. A light has to be defended normally I think due to the hit stagger the heavy caused (not sure though if she can actually do a light finisher at this point tbh).