UBI...this is a NON-CHILD no whining Raid Post | Forums

[pob709]

After 2k hours in D1 I've took my time in D2 and some weeks to get to WT5. Unlike D1 I grouped up a fair bit and it was obvious to me players were just chucking on highest gear score to get over the requirements to progress. Well of course with no thought into build they were wiping a lot. Now many would say it was pointless before WT5 to worry about build but my point is many have probably jumped into the raid without thought. It's funny a known PVP player giving advice about DTE that's really old news to a decicated PVE player. I have no experience of raids in other games but thought in D2 it really should have been about team work and build diversity (lol). It would be interesting to know if teams had a prebrief before each session or just jump in. However much I want that exotic AR when random matchmaking comes (and it will) its going to be a right laugh, Or thrown controllers. Oh and they really should have introduced a team of super Hunters at the end as those were some of the best legendary bosses in D1.

[o2-D3nTe]

I disagree.

Raid, a s a content, should not be exclusive for pro-gamers or power-gamers. In a game, where every build circle around DMG (dmg to elites, in this case) forcing players to make specific meta build is wrong.

Many players, including me, are not pro-gamers but a casualers who would also like to play this content. Why I have to be excluded ? I have also paid money for this game and I also want to have fun with it.

Solution is there.
Just allow players to change the difficulty.
Raid is all about tatics, that's crystal clear. Let players without superior builds have fun following the tactics, not amplifying their build to the limits.
I agree that raid is specific and should be difficult. But its difficulty should center around tactic and game-mechanic, not gear-check and build/dps.

Just allow players to change difficulty for the raid.
Make it normal - for casualers - with mediocre loot. (by normal I mean still difficult, but allowing players to use differents builds and have fun. Like sniper headshot build, technic-skill power build etc.)
and make it challenge - for pro-gamers - with superior loot and pther rewards that make it worth.

That way, everyone is happy.

Simply as that.

Until next week where you all come back saying there is no reason to grind for loots because all the content is accessible with a random build. Then we get the "dead game, no content" posts. Grinding for gear to be able to tackle harder content is a core element of the game. If your build won't let you do the raid now, then grind and do it in a month, the raid is not going anywhere.

[Natfrog]

I paid my $100 just like you and this was included in the price for ME as well. I'm at the last boss and the only real thing holding me back at times is time it self. With that said it wasn't fun. I feel more like I got extremely lucky with spawns more so than I did with "learning" the mechanics of the game. I feel i didn't get rushed as much and other times I got swarmed by 4 or 5 enemies. It seems to me like it's 100% about the spawns. For the raid JUST TO HAVE A CHANCE I had to completely change my build to some boring point and pull the trigger mess. DPS DPS DPS. Same old cookie cutter build using the same old guns. I'd MUCH rather have a GOOD HARD HITTING 4k Skill power build but we all know that the devs are racist against skill power users.

[Glacial6]

Until next week where you all come back saying there is no reason to grind for loots because all the content is accessible with a random build. Then we get the "dead game, no content" posts. Grinding for gear to be able to tackle harder content is a core element of the game. If your build won't let you do the raid now, then grind and do it in a month, the raid is not going anywhere.

Precisely.

As a casual player myself and one who plays after work 1am-6am, raises three children, and works 50hrs at two jobs; I see no point in wanting it “nerfed”.

I’ve Matchmade every night, no conversations, just grinded out gear slowly but surely for a build that isn’t Meta, but does well enough on heroic.

The raid is similar to a drivers license. You have to be a certain age to drive, pass tests, and prove you’re ready. The same goes for the raid. You have to be ready for the raid, you have to pass the dps check, and sadly you have to find enough skilled people to run with.

You may have paid for the content, but that doesn’t mean a win should be given to you. Earn it.

[Hamburglar-44]

Maybe all of you could go buy an NES then email Capcom to remake MegaMan, Tradewest to remake Battletoads and Arcadia Systems to remake SilverSurfer easier for you. None of you complainers would be able to play or beat the difficult retro games and all you had was a 2 button controller with a D-pad.

[Juxax2019]

the game has very little content, the few skeleton crew of players still playing this joke of a game need fresh **** to do. painstakingly banging your head against a wall in a raid isn't fun, this isn't world of Warcraft, and ubiscum aren't blizzard, they are barely capable of getting you past the loading screen, **** like this is just beyond their capability. a raid should not be released this difficult in this game ever.. 90% of the time doing matchmaking all I am ****ing doing is carrying dumb ****ing noobs. **** carrying 7.

all they've done is turn a good game into a **** game, and then tac on a terrible raid that no one in massive is qualified to do.

[mckrackin5324]

the game has very little content, the few skeleton crew of players still playing this joke of a game need fresh **** to do. painstakingly banging your head against a wall in a raid isn't fun, this isn't world of Warcraft, and ubiscum aren't blizzard, they are barely capable of getting you past the loading screen, **** like this is just beyond their capability. a raid should not be released this difficult in this game ever.. 90% of the time doing matchmaking all I am ****ing doing is carrying dumb ****ing noobs. **** carrying 7.

all they've done is turn a good game into a **** game, and then tac on a terrible raid that no one in massive is qualified to do.

TD2 is the same price as a single player game that's over and done in 20 hours. Never to be played again. Just sayin'

[go69]

I agree to not Nerf the raid BUT have difficulty levels for folks who may never be able to handle the current level

[BrowniemixBro]

I'm just going to say. World of Warcraft had many of it's raids and even dungeons nerfed due to players being unable to complete them in a timely and reasonable manner. Complaining about changes is what children do. But what real people and gamers should do is carry on with the change. Holding a grudge again is a childish thing to do if they nerf the raid. Cool, you passed a boss where even 99.8% of the player base has "STILL" yet to pass it. Boomer is even arguably more difficult than Buddy and Lucy. Or even The 2nd set of bosses in the hanger.

Massive is looking at this post and probably thinking the same as anyone else that doesn't have childish thoughts.
To under go change is a good thing. To not nerf or even acknowledge that. Hey people want Matchmaking. And yes hey, Boomer is pretty ridiculous and has too many mechanics all at once. Not once in WoW did people ever think oh, there's too many mechanics and I'm going to have an aneurysm just trying to overcome 3 of the 8 continuous mechanics.
NO There are boundaries and breaking points that need to be pointed out.
I myself included will say. As a 9year WoW veteran (played since vanilla raid attunements/3diverse spec talent trees/grinding weapon stats to 200-250.
Yes, things need to be tweaked.
Yes, things need to be able to be completed by both the "casual crowd" and the hardcore crowd.
Yes, We need to All Under go Change and diversify ourselves.

Change your mindsets people
Stop trying to hinder progress.

[III_Hammer_III]

This is the problem I have with our current entitled society, everyone feels like they should have everything for nothing. Everyone feels like they should get things because of some random card they hold in their personal lives. I have a disability, yet I don't want a handicap placard on my car. I don't give a F how bad I hurt at times, it has nothing to do with you so why should I force your involvement? Only I should care that the mere act of sitting for an hour can cause me pain, and I should not demand special treatment. We should not be striving for a situation in every aspect of our world to make sure everyone can do everything. It is called personal responsibility, own up to what you can and can't do. To limit everyone else because of my personal crap is beyond stupid. To say that this thing is to hard for me so ruin it's purpose is BS. Just insulting to imply that because of a disability I need things simplified for me.... Who the F is someone to tell me that huh?

It has nothing to do with empathy or understanding, and nothing to do with fairness. there is nothing fair about removing my challenge or getting the same rewards for less effort. The situation is ruined for better players because worse players could not do it as fast. Am I a worse player than Marco or Widdz.... I don't give a flying pig, because I am not going to give up and act like they are. Is it fair to punish a person because they are better at something? Is it empathy to know you are ruining the game for the players who seek this struggle but insert your own desire above theirs? If it is only about doing the raid just to see it, sure make a storymode raid difficulty. We just all know the real truth don't we? It is unfair that better players get better rewards and have a small enclave for them to actually seek enjoyment without hand holding. Why even include a raid just have players fast travel and get the rewards. Oh that might be too hard for someone, lets just give everyone the gear and call it a night.

Some group somewhere "we want to be treated equal so make this easy for us"

Another group "it is still to hard and they hate (insert category of person)"

I am just glad I personally try to rise above a limitation and not milk it like everyone owes me.... god would I be depressed if I was like that....

I really need to beat this raid like now, before the nerfs come again. That way I actually feel like I earned it before it could be taken from me. Because anyone who comes after will always know in the back of their mind they did not do the same raid.

Are we still taking about a freaking game?