Something is wrong | Forums

[ReyLechuga]

Back in early 2018 I used to get ''angry'' at turtles, but now theres something that bothers me even more: unskilled players.

I used to really hate on turtles, thats why i decided to start playing heroes such as shinobi and shaman, this way i can still have fun even if the enemy turtles. But, when ubi decided to ''rework'' lb and raider, i started disliking this game more and more. All i could see was raiders abusing hyper armor and just right clicking three time (soft fainting every now and then ofc) and hitokiris also abusing hyper armor. I've never felt this much dissapoinment towards a game in my life. I cant have fun anymore. I dont care about losing, i just want to have fun and improve my skills, but i just cant. In every 2/3 games there is a low rep raider that just turtles and dodges. Gone are the days of having play hundreds of hours to master a hero, gone are the days of having skill based fights. All i can see now is kids emote spamming.

Ubi fix pls

[OoKaMi_79]

Hi ReyLechuga, sadly I don’t think this path is going to change....Ubisoft is taking the path of frenzy attacks instead of going for something more tactical. Turtles were kind of annoying in the old times but at least it was kind of a chess battle. Now we have 400ms light attacks (even when we have been complaining a whole years about 500ms) and Ubisoft is letting that blocking light attacks does not need to stop the chain.....so we can see how the things are going to be in the future.

The only way to survive this year in the game and do not get too angry is to stay in PvAI.......also because in PvP with these releases of 1 char at the time we can see that everyone wants to play with it and a dominion against 4 Vortigers and now against 4 Sakuras is not fun

Let’s hope that they can hear us and fix something

[Zombie.Face]

well said rey. i hate losing to some rank 1 raider who thinks he's so skilled at the game. I would rather play turtle meta than op characters meta. the turtle meta was fine if they just would have given everyone an opener. they chose a path that most people don't care for and theres nothing we can do about it. playing ai is super boring so thats not an option for me. plus u can't really feint out a bot.. they will not hear us and they won't fix anything so accept it or move to a different game. i love the game and part of me wants it to succeed but another part of me wants it to fail and all their players go away. this way they will finally wish they listened to the community more.

[UbiInsulin]

Back in early 2018 I used to get ''angry'' at turtles, but now theres something that bothers me even more: unskilled players.

I used to really hate on turtles, thats why i decided to start playing heroes such as shinobi and shaman, this way i can still have fun even if the enemy turtles. But, when ubi decided to ''rework'' lb and raider, i started disliking this game more and more. All i could see was raiders abusing hyper armor and just right clicking three time (soft fainting every now and then ofc) and hitokiris also abusing hyper armor. I've never felt this much dissapoinment towards a game in my life. I cant have fun anymore. I dont care about losing, i just want to have fun and improve my skills, but i just cant. In every 2/3 games there is a low rep raider that just turtles and dodges. Gone are the days of having play hundreds of hours to master a hero, gone are the days of having skill based fights. All i can see now is kids emote spamming.

Ubi fix pls

Sounds like (from your Raider comments) that the turtling problem still exists for you in a form that you're not fond of.

The team has been pretty steady in saying that they're looking to keep improving offense. Defense being so good was also a huge community pain point back in 2018, as you no doubt remember.

Is there a middle ground you're looking for? Is it as simple as too many HA attacks?

[garr1999]

I'd say devs need to make fighting more mixup related while still keeping the identity and
not give every hero hyperarmor in fact just take HA out and give every
hero an unblockable/change every 400 ms lights back to
500 ms lights to still open up people and change reflex guard to be
standardized for all heroes it would make the game more offensive and it would keep the
hero's identity while making defence become an optional choice

[froggy.style]

well, the defense meta was only bad because not all heroes had openers. why didn't they just give everyone a way to open turtles? then there is no turtling. there was much better ways to make the game feel tactical without making everyone impossible to deal with. if i wanted to play a fast paced non tactical game i would play MK. there trying to make the game like other fighting games but thats what i used to like about this game. theres only a handful of characters i enjoy facing now. usually its bp, or raider and every time i see these my heart sinks. i used to really enjoy facing the raider with my valk, was fair and a good fight. not its just bandwagon kids kicking ***. do we need to play one of these op characters to compete? does ubi want us to play just a handful of viable characters? Have the devs ever tried to play rank using the PK, or the valk? if so i think they would have buffed these guys sooner.

but, the defense meta was the tactical combat that i think most players would trade back to if they could rather than the current offense op character meta. bring the tactical battles back!

[ReyLechuga]

It would be really really great if tanks such as lawbringer or even raider had slower attacks. Its really frustrating not being able to attack as a shaman because the enemy lawbringer just keeps spamming top lights. People usually dont abuse hyper armor, it is only when they start losing that they start turtling and abusing hyper armor. I honestly think that attacks with hyper armor should be weaker (easier to parry or unfaintable). Im no expert at the game, but i think that nerfing hyper armor is the sweetspot

[garr1999]

Raider has been overbuffed and lawbringer is still weak
offensively I can't blame the devs for making
lawbringers have faster lights but it would
have been better if things were progressed differently
with better comminications with the people
who truly want that change for that specific hero
this game is not competitive no more the devs need to
understand that no one wants a rework that works
truly for people who just play brainless and gives people
annoyances just look at berserker as an example
of a brainless hyperarmor intensive playstyle that
is only fun for only people who play him
and not against him

[Col.Bullet]

Short answer: No they don't, whatever they say.
They, of course, as they are the developers, do not see the game like the players do. That is a fundamental concept in game developement, still, some teams sadly don't want to admit it. Remember that this one still relies on others to relay information to them. The process for that then skews their own informational state thus blurring the devs view on the game even more. Not a healthy relationship with their product. Or the community, for that matter. No matter how vocal we are, it is very unlikely that we are recognized, simply because they excuse themselves from visiting the Forums themselves for no apparent reason.
The Reps can only do so much. To be truthful, they would have to compile the whole daily activity on the Forums in a word document and give that to Stephan. Wich, of course, would be plain stupid.

[DaytimeRaider]

It would be really really great if tanks such as lawbringer or even raider had slower attacks. Its really frustrating not being able to attack as a shaman because the enemy lawbringer just keeps spamming top lights. People usually dont abuse hyper armor, it is only when they start losing that they start turtling and abusing hyper armor. I honestly think that attacks with hyper armor should be weaker (easier to parry or unfaintable). Im no expert at the game, but i think that nerfing hyper armor is the sweetspot

problem with slowing down raiders attacks is he goes back to pre rework level. his lights and heavies were parry bait before the rework and now he got overtuned yes but you cant slow down his lights since they will become useless. as far as abusing hyperarmor though he isnt the huge offender there. if your talking hyper armor abuse you need to look at beserker and the hitokiri mostly. raider only has hyper armor on his chained heavies which are easy to parry if the raider desides to not feint it to guardbreak. In fours the hyper armor chained heavies are good since most of the time there is multiple people switching targets and not being focused on just a heavy from one character. if your in a 1v1 with raider its more the guardbreaks and stunning tap that you need to worry about than his heavies.