The question came up, if you intent to further buff Lawbringer, since there are indeed a lot of things still to be desired. Basically you didn't give a direct answer.
You said, that his full-plate armour is reflected in the "biggest healthpool" ... you mean that extra 10-20Hp in contrast to all other Heroes, which is basically the equivalent to a light attack? Full-plate protects better then cloth for just 1 cheap slap?
He has very strong defense? Might be, but remember that you took away his Block Shove (which would have been justified for more compensation). His parries are the best, but it's getting harder to get parries in with every Season coming to For Honor. With all these mix-ups and crazy fast lights it's really becoming a more and more hard task.
Vortiger can neglect all offense with just one move ... that's the best defense. He even has superb offense. Explain that ...
So Lawbringer won't need hyperarmour to "trade" right? Then why is Kensei a trading character with his finishers being covered? Why Warlord's heavies? Why Raider? Why can't Lawbringer have some? What makes him less worth of it, or is he already too strong?
It absolutly would!Originally Posted by Soldier_of_Dawn Go to original post
His explaination was so darn unsatisfying. The rework is out now, and we can already say that it's by far not enough. Instead of seeing his mistake and saying, that they at least might think about this and/or other buffs, he just said it's all fine and there would be no need for hyperarmour. How half-assed is that??
Btw does this guy have an idea of how hard it is to land a heavy with Lawbringer? Not even to mention, how often I got poked out in mid animation.
I do think that as far as hyper armor goes he really doesn’t need it. I mean sure you could put it mid chain but he already has his bash mid chain that’ll interrupt attacks anyway. He COULD use it. But it doesn’t really mean he needs it.
Bringing up kensei is a good point I think for this argument. As far as I’m concerned you are probably gonna want to finish your chain with a side unblockable with Lawbringer. Kensei has that option but they are regular side heavies. Plus he only gets hyper armor on his finisher side heavies and finisher lights I believe.
Warlord is harder to touch on because he isn’t the best as far as kits go right now. Unlike Lawbringer he can’t access an unblockable finisher or bash mid chain. He also has a two attack chain where Lawbringer has 3 that has an option to continue if any of it is missed via bash.
I’m not sure how to argue the raider hyper armor other than they are put on slow heavies. I would say it’s the damage relative to health. As of his rework you don’t trade with raider because most of the time you’ll lose.
Black prior has a defensive move that negates bashes and is an alternative to parry for unblockables. Essentially he can fight back against bashes but that’s it. As far as a strong defense goes you may want to talk to conq.
As far as his offense goes you could compare to Lawbringer defense. Sure he gets a bash for 17 or 18 damage but Lawbringer gets 15 ( I believe ) that chains into other parts of his kit. Parry wise Lawbringer gets more I believe ( 20 in parry counter or 15 , both chain) and that’s the light compared to BP bash into finisher light. Light parry gives BP 30 into chain, where law gets much higher in all situations that also chains.
Lawbro counter attacks. And he does his job well enough I think. You could say while there is a lot of fast attacks it doesn’t really affect everyone the same way. I could say that nothing has changed. I wouldn’t say whether he is deserving of it or not because of his character type rather than he being a man in full armor.
I do think in this point in type a characters makeup shouldn’t really determine how they play. The game started that way but doesn’t mean it’s that way now. A good comparison is that berserker has more hyper armor than all the knights etc.
Of course Lawbringer doesn't need it for every money in the world, but he would indeed benefit from it in many situation. Especially since his offense is really not good compared to many others, so let him please not get interrupted even on the remains.Originally Posted by Sneakly20 Go to original post
Kensei gets hyperarmour on both heavy and light finishers and I think also on his unblockable top heavy (but don't quote me on that) ...
Warlord has a pretty decent 15dmg headbutt. Compared to Lawbringer's Shove, the headbutt is really good. Also don't forget, that having a 3-hit chain is not a direct advantage. Sometimes it gives you a benefit, but mostly you don't even get to the 3rd chain.
Raider heavies are not quiet slower, then heavies from most other heroes ... just that his heavies cause between 40 and 50dmg. So I don't understand why he would "lose in trades" ?? Have you seen Flux Deluxe's Raider gameplay? He trades a lot and it's effective as heck.
Black Prior: He can't just "fight back bashes", but literally EVERYTHING despite gb. If "that's it", then that's a whole lot of things ...
Lawbringer's parries are the best (I agree on that), but parries (especially light parries) don't really happen a lot. His dodge Shove is decent, but doesn't chain into anything usefull. Even if the "mix-up escape" thing gets fixed, it won't make the unblockable useful due to it's bad feinting window. It is 100% reactable even for mediocore players.
To you last phrase: What would be the point in making a hero look like wearing full-plate armour, when it doesn't feel like it by any means? I wish they would scratch all his armour away, so can at least hate him, instead of getting pulled back to him just for his appearance, while hating the way he plays. It can hardly be less satisfying ...
But his identity is shiite. He has no real identity. His identiy also wasn't a light spamming git, but now he is a light spamming git. His identity changed. Why not changing towards hyperarmour?Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Was it Raider's "identity" to trade? Because now he does it whole whole lot.
Also the "direct answer" was aimed towards, if they will buff him further. Not talking about why no hyperarmour.
The HP explanation doesn't add up too well with me, in light of other members of the roster. Hyper-armour on heavies is the only thing Lawbringer needs regarding this issue. A feintable Longarm and chargeable Shove would be good as well but wishful thinking at this point.Originally Posted by Illyrian_King Go to original post
It was a direct answer, but a stupid one. So it's in Raiders "identity" to have hyper armor? Since when? The rework? Sounds to me like he has no clue what he's talking about in terms of, well, anything really. They've screwed this game up so bad.. it was my favorite game. It's just sad now...Originally Posted by Knight_Raime Go to original post
Raider didn't have one. They gave him one.Originally Posted by Baggin_ Go to original post
I agree that the whole "sticking to a hero's identity" thing is poor. And LB will be forever flawed because he was designed as a turtle from the get go.
But on a personal level I like having a hero based around parry options versus having yet another hero that trades through everything.
But his identity is shiite. He has no real identity. His identiy also wasn't a light spamming git, but now he is a light spamming git. His identity changed. Why not changing towards hyperarmour?
Was it Raider's "identity" to trade? Because now he does it whole whole lot.
Also the "direct answer" was aimed towards, if they will buff him further. Not talking about why no hyperarmour.[/QUOTE]
Yes, having the identity of "turtle" is terrible. Just as having heros have the identity of "counter attacker."
Raider had no identity. they gave him one.
and thanks for the clarification, I guess they're going to wait till next season and see how the disengage nerfs effect his performance before doing anything to him.
Which is pretty par for the course on how UBI handles pretty much anything.