SOTG May 8... Casuals WIN AGAIN | Forums

[RichardOshea]

Nothing new on skills as promissed, well you sure know how to pretend to listen

PvP Conflict changes alarmed me a bit. Skills get a damage modifier but TTK goes up, which sounds a bit like nothing changing at all. Other than that barely a peep out of them on Skills. Even the part where they sounded suprised that some people actually prefer Skill Builds is just a bit depressing.

[Cons72]

I say dumbing down because they’ve nerfed the balls of the last game to placate pve’ers rather it’s normalization, spreading player aout across multiple dz’s etc

Then they dumb the AI down

Nerf this nerf that yada yada

Promise high level gear in dz, change their mind again for pve’ers, now change their mind again for the casuals that don’t even play so that they don’t feel left behind.

I just don’t understand the logic of placating people that hardly play the game and delaying content for folks to catch up.
How are people still not even 500?

How sway? Oh it’s because they’re too afraid to go in the dz where you can actually farm efficiently...

If you’re not going to play the whole game then you shouldn’t have the power to dictate what’s going on with the game and sadly FOR ME, these are the ones screaming the loudest and getting changes that suit them.

It’s just ******ed to me, no offense

On Xbox

Dark Zone: Extraction

Extract an item from each dark zone.
Only 8.84% of gamers unlocked this
Dark Zone: Takedown

Eliminate a disavowed agent in each dark zone.
Only 0.46% of gamers unlocked this

[enterBrainer]

NICE! Thank you for this. My wife was really getting upset about this, and I can get her back into the game.

Wauw, really?

[Stingrayed]

My wife was upset too, cause she's sick of me playing this damn game so much. If I could just finish my build I could farm less and do more honey do list.

This.

[Cadillac-Jack]

Are we talking about casuals if so (Define casual)

Are we talking about P v Er's here?

Are we talking about both and labelling one being the other?

[Krush.SG]

How can pve’ers be hardcore when they’re the first ones out the door in dry spots? You must not have played the first game or any looter shooters ever.

The blame is on massive for moving the goal post to make it easier on people that either A) don’t play the game that much (casuals) or B) don’t play the entirety of the game to get the most out of it (pve’ers).

If only you could understand such a simple notion

Agree to an extent about the devs pandering to casuals, but disagree about the pve part of it.

Everyone has their preference in any game, to put the blame on directly or indirectly on any given group suggests the assumption of ownership of the game but 1 group, which is definitely not the case, it wasn't in TD1 and certainly isnt in TD2. In a game with both PvE and PvP, there will always be those who engage in exclusively one activity or the other. As a self proclaimed "PvE'er" in TD2, I can wholeheartedly say that yes, I am afraid to go into the DZ, my DZ rank is only 22 and I have 400hrs in this game. Am I a wuss? Sure, if that's what you wanna call it I'll take it. I call it PTSD from TD1 where we were forced into the DZ for virtually any meaningful progression. Im also confident that because of my experience with TD1, they could do anything to the DZ in TD2 and you are still not gonna see me anywhere near it and I know I'm far from alone in this stance. This of course also means that the devs are wasting their time trying to make the DZ friendlier for PvE'ers and should wake up, realize this fact and go all in and make the DZ heaven for PvP. I genuinely hope they do one day, honestly, cos I hate being blamed for the inadequacies of content that I couldn't care less about.

On another note, speaking of playing the entirety of the game, since you brought it up. In both games the DZ is much smaller than the LZ, in both games the DZ has literally 2 activities, farming landmarks and farming each other, and the LZ has everything else. Also in both games, pvpers spent 90% of the time in the DZ for obvious reasons, and somehow we are talking about playing a game in it's entirety? Sure, whatever you say. I played 600+hrs of TD1, not too much but I think its enough for me to have a very good idea of how TD1 worked and experience all aspects of it extensively(unfortunately). Of these 600+hrs, possibly more than half of it was spent in the DZ simply because that's how the game worked. So yea, I most definitely did cut and run out the door, after spending some 300+hrs exclusively playing content I didn't like at all, but I guess that isn't enough perseverance for your standards, oh well, cant please everyone.

Of course, this concept applies both ways, and the difference and also the reason why PvP'ers get to sit on their high horses pointing fingers at everyone is because the content you like involves far less actual content, and judging by the enormous pedestal you guys put TD1's pvp on, they must have gotten it quite right in TD1. Getting pvp good enough for the pvpers literally involves getting 1 thing right, thereafter it's infinitely replayable and you get everything you want and will never quit. Get this 1 thing wrong though... like they have in TD2 and guess who's likely to be out the door this time? Welcome to the club of disappointment in your content of choice, us pve'ers have been in here for years. Maybe you'll decide to step into the other 70% of the game and play it in its actual entirety instead of just staying in the DZ this time? Or you could quit, I'm sure the pve'ers wouldn't hold it against you, we can certainly empathize.

[speedy4022]

Ubisoft is killing this game for everyone but the casuals. I don’t need more 500 gear I break almost all of it down now except weapons. So I have no reason to grind or do the raid for more junk gear. I think it is about time I play something else.

[xPLAY3R1x]

Another "hardcore" kid who defines his online identity with the game(s) he plays and doesn't want anybody else to be as "gud" as him.

Yawn.

You're the 1%, pal.

If you can't handle it, then perhaps this isn't the game for you?

Sound familiar?

[elkyri]

Personally I have 350 hours in the game ....

Land o' Goshen!!!!

Game released 15 March. That was only ~920 hours ago (rounding). Do you not sleep?

[Colidace]

Devs pls rename difficulty in this game:

Normal -> very easy
Hard -> easy
Challenging -> normal
Heroic -> hard

And make some place for new difficulty modes for players other than console super casuals pls