SOTG May 8... Casuals WIN AGAIN | Forums

[Monostatik]

I'm not casual, and i guarantee you that is the right decision. I hear you asking why, ok i will tell you why. If the raid has the highest gs items and these items actually roll higher stats than other items in the game, then there is no purpose to playing anything other than the raid except for maybe gathering materials etc.

If the gearscore of raid loot is higher but has no impact because the stats are basically the same as other 500 loot, simply proves the current controversy that gs is indeed irrelevant in the game. If gs is irrelevant then what is the motivation to go for 515 or whatever score raid loot is?

What they need to do with regard to the raid is have unique loot and cosmetics that fall there. Gear talents that you can only get from the raid. Also they can tighten the spread of stats on raid loot so you get consistent high quality loot from raid e.g. regular mask can fall with dte rolls from 25 to 50. Raid mask can fall with dte roll from 35 to 50. This way raid loot will consistently be of usable quality.

While all other activities still remain relevant, the raid on weekly reset will be the premier location for improving your build. A similar thing can be done for odz, and heroic content outside of the raid which has lockout, but in lesser effect. So say ODZ and heroic masks will fall 30 to 50.

Back to the raid loot though, i am suggesting something along the lines of new brand sets that can fall ONLY within the raid, and these brand sets can have a few unique talents rolled as well. Doesn't have to roll all the time either. Maybe you get the unique talent maybe you get hard hitting. Rng roll determines.

There are much better ways to design a loot system than simply lazily increasing gear score. So my incentive to grind the raid is to chase after the same berzerk, unstoppable builds but just at a higher gs and with basically a few thousand more armor and maybe 1% extra of stats like DTE or HS dmg? No thank you

To be fair all the other activities and content are already irrelevant. At this point the highest loot per hour seems to come from simply running the underground areas and just exploring the map. In the time it takes me to finish one mission, even on the easiest difficulty, and get minimal rewards for the effort, I could open 30 chests in the sewers and through spots I know always have gear/weapon crates.

Now I know bringing this up is probably going to piss people off as it tips off the devs and will most likely bring out the nerf bats, but really the problem is the gear you receive from content that requires effort is so horribly lacking at this point. RNG in this game is so terribly inflated that the only possible way you will ever get anything resembling an upgrade in the 490+ GS range, and in reasonable time frame, is to literally drown yourself in loot as often as possible and pray that you manage that .00001% chance to get a single good item. I haven't changed my loadouts in weeks because all my loot is garbage. Every single last piece of it. There is absolutely no motivation to do anything at this point.

As far as I'm concerned, please put the best gear in the raid, at least I know every time I actually get a chance to do it I'll have a significantly better chance at getting something useful. Hell, at this point I'm even down for putting better gear in the DZ just so I know where I can go to get anything at all worth using. I'm a bit tired of doing the same thing over and over and over again, week after week, with absolutely nothing to show for it except for a higher credit number on my inventory sheet. This RNG wall is about as much fun as running into an actual wall.

[Kage-shi]

Some players will have full time jobs which means they will be working 8 hours or more a day, They come home and they have to cook up their own food, clean up the house, some players have children, some other players go into the outside world and socialise with real living humans, some players may be caring for friends or family members This is just a few reasons why some players are not 500GS already. Not everybody can sit on their rear playing games all day. Games are not only for the hardcore 18 hours a day players and they never have been. Games are there to be played when and at what pace people want to play them at. A game is a break from the reality and stresses of life, a game shouldn't be a way of life.

No offense to you, but I don't know a single gamer who's ever given a flying **** about any of those people's predicaments you described. Pretty sure we don't buy games expecting to take on the problems of the world. I don't care if they have kids, work, don't have time, have to do chores, they're dying of some ailment, or they lost their home and they're now destitute, living on the street, playing the game from a ****ing Starbucks. **** them and **** their situation. I don't know them so they're irrelevant to me. They put themselves in those situations and have no right to dictate the path of anyone else's enjoyment, nor their projects. It's on them to manage with what they have available. It's not on everyone else to manage around what's convenient for THEM. Why the hell would strangers even give a damn? Do you walk around the world IRL just getting free **** and helping hands everywhere you go? Think about that. Cause I sure as **** don't.


Really try to refrain from using this tired, cliche series of excuses in the future...please. I've been hearing it for decades, and it never works out for the people using them. It also doesn't pertain to the goal of making a game good, fun, and engaging to play for everyone. Because what those instant-gratification-craving people with **** lives want...is the complete opposite of what the tried and true gamer desires. The tried and true gamer doesn't mind playing for the long haul, overcoming extreme difficulty, or taking months to farm the drop that almost no one else has. The tried and true gamer doesn't care if the drops he wants are in PVE or PVP, he's going in, and he's going to get them eventually one way or another through legit means.


What I can't understand is why people who have no time or tons of obligations, feel the need to play MMOs or team-based games that are very time consuming. They know it going in, but do so anyway. It leads me to believe they're not right in the head and/or extremely selfish scumbags. Anyone with actual common sense would come to the logical realization they should probably stick with online games that're battle oriented and finish in 10-20 mins so they can manage their time better. Or simply stick with single player games where they can dictate their own pace and shut it down instantly if a critical situation arises IRL. Not join the MMOs and then try to decide for the Devs what direction they should go with an extreme bias leaning towards "What I want and need...me, me, me." It's bat**** crazy when you think about it. Oh well. It's not important anymore. This game's doomed because of the fools that listen to them mostly. My only hope is that this game's servers manage to stay up awhile so I can rest assured most of the ****birds stay here and not plaguing other quality games like the blight they are.

[qpMaverickqp]

As far as I'm concerned, please put the best gear in the raid, at least I know every time I actually get a chance to do it I'll have a significantly better chance at getting something useful. Hell, at this point I'm even down for putting better gear in the DZ just so I know where I can go to get anything at all worth using. I'm a bit tired of doing the same thing over and over and over again, week after week, with absolutely nothing to show for it except for a higher credit number on my inventory sheet. This RNG wall is about as much fun as running into an actual wall.

I understand the point you are making, however adding 15 or 20 gearscore is a bandaid, not an actual solution. At best it will give you 2 weeks of grinding to recreate the exact builds you use now.

What the raid needs to do is add new gearsets, talents etc that can add to current builds or create completely new builds that are interesting. If they wanna do that in addition to adding 515 no problem by me, but as i see it there is no point to building another unstoppable force, berserker, or clutch build at 15 gearscore higher. After you hit the gearscore you are right back here. Having nothing to grind for.

New gearscore increase is normally accompanied by new content. Sure the raid is new content but it is 1 activity. But i am speaking of the new expansions. At that point you will get 2 or 3 new missions and a new activity or 2 perhaps that can make the grind interesting. Running the same missions from release 1 to 30 then wt1 to 5 to eventually get to 500 gs is 1 thing. Why would i grind that same content for 15 gs. This will simply lead to a bad precedent. A uear and a half later we might be grinding the same **** for 650 unstoppable force builds. No thank you

[CasualPlayah]

Casualplayah, do tell. What does causal mean?

Merriam Webster Defines "Casual" as Occasional, Google is your friend with that said, not sure how someone who plays a few nights a week can seriously impact the game that's been out for a couple of months

[NORTHBOERN1]

Merriam Webster Defines "Casual" as Occasional, Google is your friend with that said, not sure how someone who plays a few nights a week can seriously impact the game that's been out for a couple of months

They can't, its silly to blame a game you dont like on casual players. Which you aren't. I was just curious who you'd describe causual, due to your name.

[moesuvious]

They can't, its silly to blame a game you dont like on casual players. Which you aren't. I was just curious who you'd describe causual, due to your name.

I consider myself a casual player and did so in TD1 as well even though i played it more than most. It can also be defined as "relaxed or unconcerned" which is more up my alley than occasional. I think a casual player can play 8 hours a week or 8 hours a day with the difference in they are playing to have fun, its not a competition, its me against the game and an occasional other player but i havnt gotten to that yet in td2 really but when i do and i am spending most of my time in the DZ, im still going to be casual even on those weekends where i put in 16-20 hours.

[DarkKnight27us]

They can't, its silly to blame a game you dont like on casual players. Which you aren't. I was just curious who you'd describe causual, due to your name.

I consider myself a casual player. I play 4 to 5 nights a week for 4 to 10 hours a day. Some people may consider that "hardcore" or "extreme" but to me, it's casual. I used to play games 7 days a week for 8 to 15 hours a day.

[NORTHBOERN1]

I consider myself a casual player and did so in TD1 as well even though i played it more than most. It can also be defined as "relaxed or unconcerned" which is more up my alley than occasional. I think a casual player can play 8 hours a week or 8 hours a day with the difference in they are playing to have fun, its not a competition, its me against the game and an occasional other player but i havnt gotten to that yet in td2 really but when i do and i am spending most of my time in the DZ, im still going to be casual even on those weekends where i put in 16-20 hours.

I think its a mind set. I play a lot, and would consider myself casual, like the guy who posted below you. He considers 4 hours a day casual.

[Motomofo]

Nobody is winning.

[Hoyman77]

So I take it casual is the way to be, while hardcore or extreme means the game is your life?