Raider rework thoughts | Forums

[The.All.Father]

I've been a poster-boy for Raider is fine but in time i found him overtuned. I think stunning tap should not blind for so long, should not deal this amount of dmg and indicator should show for 500 ms to the opponent. Lights are fine by me and for now as I see so many Raiders there his lights became the most easy hits to parry (talking from neutral). I don't know how about dmg overall, I always considered him as truck when he hits u, but I don't know any precise numbers, so I will not speak about it. Stampede was nerfed but some of u made a point that it is a brilliant way to take somebody's stamina and I agree, it shouldn't be too easy to drain somebody's stamina (with just one move) and i think stamina drain should be nerfed. However I don't think dodge GB should go. It was always Raider's unique playstyle and it was never considered by me as OP move and it is not now IMHO. And remember folks, it is just my opinion - a guy who is average player and a Raider main and I can be a bit biased but i really tried to be objective and i felt that I should put this here. More playing and maybe more thoughts. Have a good day.

[David_gorda]

I like the new rework he is fun to play with and against and has interesting mixups instead of lightspam and bashes. He is strong but not op.

[C4rmine52]

Raider is literally light spam and stunning tap spam with ******ed damage. How is that any better then light spam and shield bash spam ? Pretty sure those don’t lead into even more bs mix ups either. Your biasm is hilariously disturbing.

[KotoKuraken]

I like the new rework he is fun to play with and against and has interesting mixups instead of lightspam and bashes. He is strong but not op.

yea no I'm gonna have to call bs on that one. He's just as fast as Orochi with 500 and even a 400ms light that stuns, massively buffed damage, wide freaking range and super powerful zones, very small stamina depletion, dodge gb so he can't be punished for dodging, and hyperarmor while LB has none, and softfeints on everything. He's more powerful than PK was in her prime when she was at the top

Oh yea, and he has almost zero gb vulnerability on his heavies on top of the super fast dodge recovery that allows him to counter gb even when he should have been punished

[Zombie.Face]

i respect The.All.Father a lot more after this post. he was before fine with everything the raider got and its the same with all raider mains. if you guys were not raider mains i 100% guarantee you would be on our side. even if you say u wouldn't. don't fool yourself. but I'm glad that this raider main has at least seen the light on how he is a bit over tuned. im sure as a raider main who has skills playing the raider are upset by the fact that some noob bandwagon raider can beat them just because the state of the class. everyone should be a bit less bias towards any class, even if they main it. it still hurts you as a raider main to have him broken. more noobs playing him making him less special and feels bad when a noob beats u and thinks he's a good player. mirrors get a bit boring as well. op characters hurt everyone in the game, and make the community salty which is never a good thing too.

[The.All.Father]

Raider is literally light spam and stunning tap spam with ******ed damage. How is that any better then light spam and shield bash spam ? Pretty sure those don’t lead into even more bs mix ups either. Your biasm is hilariously disturbing.

We are talking about 500 ms lights. Almost everyone have it. And lights in chain are 500 ms all the time i think, no delaying as Orochi or Zerk can ( they have 300 delayed ones right?). Back in the day his lights was 600 ms and were useless. Parried almost all the time by my opponents (no, i am no pro and even somewhere below average). Right now i can parry almost all lights which Raiders throw at me from neutral, and I think u will quickly get used to this too cause 90% duels u can practice cause u have to play against Raider now U are trying to convince me that 500 ms lights are light spam now? Then every hero is spammer. Problem is with stunning tap which i pointed (and the follow up after this ofc). Saying that my biasm is HILARIOUSLY disturbing u probably want me to admit that Raider didn't even should have rework and was viable before. No, I won't do this.

[The.All.Father]

i respect The.All.Father a lot more after this post. he was before fine with everything the raider got and its the same with all raider mains. if you guys were not raider mains i 100% guarantee you would be on our side. even if you say u wouldn't. don't fool yourself. but I'm glad that this raider main has at least seen the light on how he is a bit over tuned. im sure as a raider main who has skills playing the raider are upset by the fact that some noob bandwagon raider can beat them just because the state of the class. everyone should be a bit less bias towards any class, even if they main it. it still hurts you as a raider main to have him broken. more noobs playing him making him less special and feels bad when a noob beats u and thinks he's a good player. mirrors get a bit boring as well. op characters hurt everyone in the game, and make the community salty which is never a good thing too.

Yeah, it is real problem now. Stunning tap in my opinion made this hero ez win machine for a lot of people who are not even familiar with his playstyle.

[The.All.Father]

yea no I'm gonna have to call bs on that one. He's just as fast as Orochi with 500 and even a 400ms light that stuns

Please be precise - this move is not 400 ms. It shows for 400 ms for opponent which is a huge difference. When u won't see my 900 ms (i think it has such speed) top heavy indicator u will also say that it is merely reactable There are even some flickers on this move so it should be FIXED. The speed should not change IMO.

[The.All.Father]

I like the new rework he is fun to play with and against and has interesting mixups instead of lightspam and bashes. He is strong but not op.

Yeah, i still find him really fun to play, but i think he is overtuned with his stunning tap which IMO opens the door for punishes too ez.

[C4rmine52]

We are talking about 500 ms lights. Almost everyone have it. And lights in chain are 500 ms all the time i think, no delaying as Orochi or Zerk can ( they have 300 delayed ones right?). Back in the day his lights was 600 ms and were useless. Parried almost all the time by my opponents (no, i am no pro and even somewhere below average). Right now i can parry almost all lights which Raiders throw at me from neutral, and I think u will quickly get used to this too cause 90% duels u can practice cause u have to play against Raider now U are trying to convince me that 500 ms lights are light spam now? Then every hero is spammer. Problem is with stunning tap which i pointed (and the follow up after this ofc). Saying that my biasm is HILARIOUSLY disturbing u probably want me to admit that Raider didn't even should have rework and was viable before. No, I won't do this.

My post wasn’t even directed towards you so I’m not even gonna respond to the crap you just said. Just letting you know my post was clearly towards David gorda. If it was towards YOU I would’ve qouted you like I’m doing now, get your head out of your *** you arent special