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[bramboforce]

Lawbringer
For what feels like ages I've been wanting a nice little Lawbringer rework. Instead they for some unkown reason nerfed him even further down the tier list. What Lawbringer desperatly needed was a better way to start fighting since his shove was too slow and so were his attacks and of course his shove didnt grant any guaranteed damage.

What we got is sped up shove with guaranteed damage and follow-up unblockable heavy. On paper this seems rather nice and surely if you manage to hit the shove it in fact is quite decent. The problem comes when you try to actually hit someone with the shove. It's about as slow as Cent's kick which we all know isn't the hardest thing to dodge.

His longarm move remained unchanged therefore unusable, which is kinda sad since I like to pancake flip people but only get to do so very rarely. His block shove was of course removed which hinders the turteling greatly but also nerfs LB in his entirity. I don't imagine anyone liked to be block shoved by LB who never did anything else besides the occasional top light but this was the one move that kept him from being entirely useless.

Summary: LB is less turtly now and has few more offensive options and the anti gank parry zone is rather nice to use. Overall still needs to be buffed in terms of engaging in a fight since his current offense isnt much to look at and defense was greatly hindered by the removment of the block shove.

Raider
Honestly I never liked to play Raider since he is bit boring to me so this part will be more brief.
In short he got his lights quickened significantly and has been granted few more chain options. What I always considered annyoing about him is his side dodge GB into stampede charge and his out of stamina zone mi ups. And essentially both of these got more annyoing along with the added option to light a lot more often. Also he not has soft feint from his zone into a GB

Summary: More annyoing to deal with and still boring to look at and play. Iam sure the Raider mains are happy tho, since none of his play style was significantly impacted by this change.

[Illyrian_King]

LB's shove wasn't speed up. His neutral dodge shove is completely untouched, but his chain shove was slowed down from 300ms to 500ms. After a hit it was guaranteed, now it can be dodged. In compensation it can be done on block and wiff (mostly useless due to pretty short range).

He got only few changes, but he is still fundamentally flawed.

[KnightRider_69]

Ubisoft says they want to do away with turtling, but suddenly lose interest when told Lawbringer has no opener. Funny. Initiating chain with heavy doesn't do much when his heavies are guaranteed to be parried when not whiffed. So new meta is the same as old one, whiff string to get to unblockable. Other characters can feint their heavies into something interesting, LB is left in the mud.

[Illyrian_King]

Ubisoft says they want to do away with turtling, but suddenly lose interest when told Lawbringer has no opener. Funny. Initiating chain with heavy doesn't do much when his heavies are guaranteed to be parried when not whiffed. So new meta is the same as old one, whiff string to get to unblockable. Other characters can feint their heavies into something interesting, LB is left in the mud.

It really feels like the devs don't play their own game ...

[darksavior1977]

Accomplish? Not much. Raider is a definitely better than his former self, but still not anywhere near as good as new heroes and stronger reworks like Kensei, Highlander, and Shugoki. LB is almost lateral in that for any bit that got better, he got almost as much worse, and again, not anywhere near newer heroes and better reworked heroes. So really a let down and missed opportunity for these two IMO.

[KotoKuraken]

Lawbringer got nothing. Yea sure, he is good at parrying. But what else? He has zero diversity in his attacks, and literally revolves around parrying anything the opponent tries to throw out. With heroes like Shugo and Hito with variable timing, he can't even use that. With heroes like Warden and Conq using bashes that can't be parried, he can't use that

[ArchDukeInstinct]

Lawbringer
For what feels like ages I've been wanting a nice little Lawbringer rework. Instead they for some unkown reason nerfed him even further down the tier list. What Lawbringer desperatly needed was a better way to start fighting since his shove was too slow and so were his attacks and of course his shove didnt grant any guaranteed damage.

He didn't get as much as Raider, but this is nowhere near a nerf.

What we got is sped up shove with guaranteed damage and follow-up unblockable heavy. On paper this seems rather nice and surely if you manage to hit the shove it in fact is quite decent. The problem comes when you try to actually hit someone with the shove. It's about as slow as Cent's kick which we all know isn't the hardest thing to dodge.

But Lawbringer can initiate the shove from a side dodge, meaning he can punish a lot more now such as other bashes with low recovery times for examples. That's huge. You should be able to shut down Conqueror bashes now.

I think Lawbringer's defense is actually better now. You can't stop combos just off of blocking anymore but you have good anti-bash defense now and a decent option select with the zone.

[Knight_Raime]

He didn't get as much as Raider, but this is nowhere near a nerf.



But Lawbringer can initiate the shove from a side dodge, meaning he can punish a lot more now such as other bashes with low recovery times for examples. That's huge. You should be able to shut down Conqueror bashes now.

I think Lawbringer's defense is actually better now. You can't stop combos just off of blocking anymore but you have good anti-bash defense now and a decent option select with the zone.

Shhh. Saying anything nice about new LB is forbidden my dude. Even if you take the time to explain the new good things. Just quit while you're ahead.

[Mr_Incredible]

Shhh. Saying anything nice about new LB is forbidden my dude. Even if you take the time to explain the new good things. Just quit while you're ahead.

Theres a difference from saying good things about the new lb and being oblivious to the clear flaws he has and disregarding the people who have lots of experience with him.

[Mr_Incredible]

He didn't get as much as Raider, but this is nowhere near a nerf.



But Lawbringer can initiate the shove from a side dodge, meaning he can punish a lot more now such as other bashes with low recovery times for examples. That's huge. You should be able to shut down Conqueror bashes now.

I think Lawbringer's defense is actually better now. You can't stop combos just off of blocking anymore but you have good anti-bash defense now and a decent option select with the zone.

Your right my dude on the top point it was not a nerf it added good things to him but it wasnt the best rework or buff he could have gotten.

And lb could always do a side dodge shove that's not new.